The DaemonS and The Seraphim

[SnakThree]

Since you are playing on Discovery Freelancer mod, you play by Discovery Freelancer lore.

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[|nfrared]

*Chokes to death on popcorn*

WRONG WRONG WRONG!

SUGGESTION - If you're going to open a feedback thread, actually listen to the feedback provided. You cannot tamper with Nomad lore for the last time . You cannot retcon yourself into existing lore for the last time. This is just painful to watch, seriously.

You cannot tamper with Nomad lore.
You cannot retcon yourself into existing lore.

No idea what retcon means, but everything that was written about the Nomads AFTER the Nomad War has all been made up. The original Freelancer game creators ddnt say THIS is what was going to happen after the war, they ENDED the game there.
So, everything that has "happened" since then, with ALL factions, is basically just a MASSIVE "tampering".
Albeit a MOD creators idea of what "would" (or rather COULD) have happened since the Nomad War.

Saying that I cant tamper with something that has already been tampered with is just...contradictory.

And, as I said, it is NOT tampering...
Observe...

FACT: The Daam K'vosh existed, but left...for some reason.
FACT: Nomads infest humans, and can control them.
CONJECTURE: Nomad controlled Humans can mate and produce hybrid children.

FACT: There is NOTHING that says the Daam K'vosh can NEVER return.
FACT: There is NOTHING to say that Nomad infested humans cant mate.
CONJECTURE: The child of two infested humans would have some Nomad properties.

FACT: There was NO mention of "The Wild" before the faction was created.
FACT: There was also NO mention of "The DaemonS" before I created it.
CONJECTURE: If one can simply be ADDED into the Nomad "lore", so can the other.

FACT: My idea has merit...as you, and others, have said.
FACT: I do not possess the ability to pitch this idea correctly.
CONJECTURE: My inability to make a good pitch means my idea is rubbish.

I think that all speaks for itself...
The facts ARE correct, and can NOT be disputed.
The conjecture is different. It cannot be proven as TRUE, but it also cannot be proven as FALSE. Claiming its FALSE when no proof is available, is not in-keeping with the CURRENT version of the game...especially since a lot of NEW factions have been introduced. Some of which, althouh seeming like good ideas, do not "fit" within the RP parameters, or with the game as a whole.

The Wild, The Reapers, The Core, The Coalition...and GALLIA being prime examples there!
Not to mention, once again, that The Reapers is VERY similar to the idea I originally had for "The DaemonS".

LOL

So basically you know WAY more than anyone here, right? That's amazing, considering you have only been here a month. But, hey, what would all of us know? None of us have ever tried any of this before you, right?

I give up. Can someone with way more patience than myself lay it down for this guy? I can't post here anymore, I just can't.

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Shard - The Faceless One

[Strichev]

|nfrared, don't overreact, please.

In a way this Devil-boy is correct, especially when it comes to comparing Gallia and Daam K'Vosh. The entire house of Gallia is so mismatched with FL's lore that introducing the Daam K'Vosh would be nothing at all compared to it. Gallia contradicts not only FL's but also Starlancer's lore.

This does not not, however, mean that I'm a fan of his idea - quite the opposite can be said.

Nevertheless, it is important to act in a way as objective as possible, in avoidance of rash conclusions based on prejudice formed at the beginning of this thread.

As Marburg had said, patience is of paramount importance here, as this is a community deeply rooted in the "old ways", years of RP have formed and moulded many a player into a callous, inflexible individual. Myself included. In such an environment anything new will be met with stern opposition unless it finds a niche, a crack, to seamlessly plant its roots, to blend in with the established ways and work its way from there.

Your have made long strides in the right direction, but the luggage you still carry from your first post is proving too much. You need to give up on this thread, let it die, rot away, only for the idea of yours to re-surface in some form a month or two later.

[Sabru]

Since you are playing on Discovery Freelancer mod, you play by Discovery Freelancer lore.

This basically. coming onto the Disco RP server and saying "im doing this according to original vanilla freelancer so you cant stop me" is not very bright at all. Disco has a lore that is followed. This is not a Vanilla Freelancer Server.

Disco lore is Disco lore. If you dont like it, then dont play on the official DISCO RP server. simple as that.

Also, Strichev, two letters: ZA.

that idea never changed to adapt and kept coming back. This seems to be going in the same direction.

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[Technogeist]

Introducing the Daam K'Vosh, the overall mystery of the vanilla FL game which remains unsolved in Disco, is not something I want some random guy, who clearly has no idea what he's doing, solve for us. That would ruin a big aspect of the FL/Disco lore, at least for me.

You haven't even read up on where Gallia came from. That made me cringe. We know all about Gallia and where it came from. Also why they are French, even if I don't like it.

And then I watch you proclaim falsehoods to be facts. That's just annoying. The Wild were in vanilla FL, they just weren't numerous enough to be their own faction. The Wild are just infected humans, such as that Chancellor who had whatshername trapped in that cutscene. The only difference in Disco is that they have split up and have people who aren't embedded in factions, and own some systems now.

Your idea, as it is now, does not have merit, at least not from where I stand. Your pitching skills have nothing to do with it. I just don't like the idea, especially if you're now going to try to go the Daam K'Vosh, which imo would ruin one of the big things about Nomad origins and the entire storyline of vanilla FL.

Also, how would nomad infested humans mate? It's not a DNA thing. Referring back to that cutscene, they have a big Nomad thing inside them. I don't think those things are interested in making sweet sweet hentai. Doesn't make sense to me.

Idea is bad. Inserting yourself in to established lore is bad. Making bad excuses for it is double bad. Ignoring 15 pages of feedback is pentabad.

[Echo 7-7]

Thread locked.

We were originally going to issue a warning/notice for:
- failing to properly address feedback and criticism without aggression
- posting two faction ideas in one thread (it should be one faction concept per thread)
- not updating the OP with current information on the faction concept

However, the moderators have decided that this thread needs to be locked completely, since there is no productivity coming from inflammatory comments. Furthermore, the discussion of religion is not permitted anywhere on this forums, particularly due to the potentially offensive notions being conveyed in this thread.