To the LPI HQ

[Liamgly]

Greetings

My name is Vincent Carter and I fly the ship called "The_lil_Rat". I'm Contacting you concerning the conduct of one of your secondary fleet officers named LT.Drake.Larson. I was having a nice peaceful day observing Manhattan 8k away when an officer approached me blabbing something about me being a pirate with no evidence to back it up, next thing I know he's shooting me and I was forced to defend myself.

Here's a data packet that shows what happened.

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A datapacket showing my Lawfull civillian weapons Freelancer iff and description of my freighter

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[Bauer]

PRIORITY:[color=#33FF33] Low
SOURCE: Fort Bush, New York
TARGET: Vincent Carter
COMM ID: Deputy Chief Jack Bauer
SUBJECT: Stuff

Hello Mr Carter. Before we can take action, we need to see your ship's papers.

We also noticed that on your radar, the LPI came up as hostile contacts. This means you have been branded as hostile by the LPI, and all LPI vessels are cleared to engage your vessel.

Thank you.

Deputy Chief Jack Bauer
Liberty Police Incorporated

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[10:10:28 AM] Josh (Dejavu): Bauer is legendary to the LPI, I joined because I wanted to be that epic.

[Liamgly]

PRIORITY:[color=#33FF33] Low
SOURCE: Fort Bush, New York
TARGET: Vincent Carter
COMM ID: Deputy Chief Jack Bauer
SUBJECT: Stuff

Hello Mr Carter. Before we can take action, we need to see your ship's papers.

We also noticed that on your radar, the LPI came up as hostile contacts. This means you have been branded as hostile by the LPI, and all LPI vessels are cleared to engage your vessel.

Thank you.

Deputy Chief Jack Bauer
Liberty Police Incorporated

So let me get this straight. Just because I'm unfriendly with the navy/Police you have reason to come and engage me? That does not sound right to me at all. One must be found guilty of brakeing the law before you have any right to engage him.

As for engageieng the police officer I was clearly within my rights to defend myself under liberty law with my civillian weapons.

III. Assault.

The assault of any member of the Liberty forces for any reason is illegal, unless specific verbal exemption is given for a particular instance by a member of the high command structures of the primary fleets only.

The assault of any civilian for any reason, including the collection of bounties, is illegal. The only case that this is allowed is if that civilian has breeched the law, or if permitted by a representative of the forces of Liberty.

Bounty Hunters, Mercenaries and Freelancers are allowed to collect against those already part of groups that the Liberty forces consider hostile.

For the full list of entities considered hostile by the government of Liberty, please visit the Liberty Navy Faction Status document, located here.



Self defence is permitted. That is the primary use for civilian weaponry in the house of Liberty.

Now the said officer Wanted me to leave liberty I guess he was refering to this law

IV. Transport ships.

The transport models of the Rheinland Train, Behemoth medium transport, Pirate Train and Pirate Transport are not permitted within the house of Liberty. The ALG mover and all other transport class ships are permitted.

There are no exceptions to this law.



Captains of transports of illegal make and model will be forced to drop any cargo they are carrying and exit the house of Liberty by the route specified by the officer on duty. An additional fine may be levied if previous infractions have occurred. Any resistance or evasion will result in the transport ship being destroyed.

However I would like to point out that nowhere in that law does it say that the Bactrain is illegal thus the said officer had no right at all to tell me to leave unless I was causeing traffic or something whitch I wasn't.
What ever happend to "Innocent till proven guilty?"

What if your Radars are malfunctioning and showing me up as some hostile contact for no given reason?

My Reputation (Unedited)

My "Papers"

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[DCKilla]

Comm ID: Lt.Drake.Larson
Affiliation: LPI
Subject: ...

I don't have to say much because the deputy chief has already spoken. But, I will add this little tidbit from my scans of your pirate vessel.

[DCKilla]

Comm ID: Lt.Drake.Larson
Affiliation: LPI
Subject: Guilty on all counts

My "Papers"

Do you think we are stupid or something? It's obvious that you had just purchased that new freelancer registration at the fare price of 80k credits to cover your pirate butt. A used freelancer registration would be worth well below the price listed in your so called evidence.

[Liamgly]

Comm ID: Lt.Drake.Larson
Affiliation: LPI
Subject: Guilty on all counts



Do you think we are stupid or something? It's obvious that you had just purchased that new freelancer registration at the fare price of 80k credits to cover your pirate butt. A used freelancer registration would be worth well below the price listed in your so called evidence.

// K need to explane something oorp here

http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...Id%27s+are+oorp

Malexa says

Both.



The ID's are OORP items to help players to identify the ships around them.

Players also can implement these ID's in the roleplay environment as many do.
A police ship with a police id is like having a badge. It tells people that he or she is an officer.

The BHG or Mercs use them as some sort of license. "hey I am a licensed hunter. Hire me!"

A Zoner IDed Eagle could be hailed with "Hail Zoner" or "Unknown ship, please identify yourself"
Both are valid roleplay actions.

kingvaillant says in the more reacent topic

This question was debated maybe a month or two ago. As the ID is an actual "object/thing" in-game, it was declared, by admins, that is was in-RP. However, do not be surprised if you encounter a guy RPing that he is not what his ID states (spies for example). In which case, nothing prevents you from following his RP.

If we were to declare it OORP, a large amount of players would persist on using the ID as a proof of alignment with X faction (pirate id = he's a pirate) while an other amount would follow the declaration... This would be a problematic situation that would end with a lot of rulelawyering, Q_Q and grudge.

So to simplify, ID are In-RP objects/things.

Also this

http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=72908

Now im a pirate cruiseing around liberty but im not going to advertise that fact given I dont want the navy on my back. Sure you can win on by doing it the boreieng way and ask for "Papers (By the way the "Papers" I gave I forged them in RP) or you can look at this like a challange. Try and beat me at my own game, Catch me activly commiting a crime.

I'm a person with a clean slate if I do commit an act of piracy any trader can report me and i'll be in the criminal data base like that and I'll be a criminal then. The way your doing it is just -.- .

Let's take a real world case. Let's say I'm smuggleing drugs do you think I'd have papeers saying "Hi im smuggleing drugs let me pass" ? no he'd more likely have a forged passport and fake numbeerplates on his car. Fact is if someone's doing something ileagle then they're going to try and hide it an that is exactly what I am doing.


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Thats som interesting Evidence you have there. But let me ask you something.. How did you get my "Papers" if you didn't even ask for them nor did i even let you take a peek at them hmmm?

That looks forged to me Bold very very bold.

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[Error]

Sender: Deputy Chief Colin Sinclair
Location: Red Deer Station, Alaberta
Subject: RE: Complaint ticket #49512

II. Small ships.

The possession of some small ships is illegal in Liberty. Small ships are classified as gunboats or anything below such as freighters and fighters. This most commonly applies to Freelancers and Mercenaries. The list is as follows:

Rheinland ships (e.g. Wraith).
Rheinland criminal ships (e.g. Arbeiter).
Outcast ships (e.g. Tridente).
Corsair ships (e.g. Gladiator).
Pirate ships (e.g. Barghest).
Lane Hacker ships (e.g. Bayonet).
Order ships (e.g. Nephthys).
Nomad ships.
GRN ships.


Pilots flying these must either exit the house of Liberty immediately by the route specified by the officer on duty or turn the ship in for research or destruction purposes at the nearest station able to provide a replacement ship. Any resistance will result in the ship being destroyed.

Actually, no, he wasn't referring to that rule, but, in fact, section three paragraph two. If you look closer on
the papers for your ship you'll quickly see that it's described as a pirate freighter, which is an illegal ship
type. Is that enough of "breaking a law" for you? And for the record: Shooting on an LPI officer with civilian
weapons won't help very much - it's still just as illegal.

I think the evidence is quite clear in this case, criminal. As for your reputation sheet, consider that
changed - you're not going near our bases anytime soon after assault on one of my officers.

Was there anything else you wanted to discuss, or do you have any further evidence for your case you want
to show us?

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[Liamgly]

Sender: Deputy Chief Colin Sinclair
Location: Red Deer Station, Alaberta
Subject: RE: Complaint ticket #49512

Actually, no, he wasn't referring to that rule, but, in fact, section three paragraph two. If you look closer on
the papers for your ship you'll quickly see that it's described as a pirate freighter, which is an illegal ship
type. Is that enough of "breaking a law" for you? And for the record: Shooting on an LPI officer with civilian
weapons won't help very much - it's still just as illegal.

I think the evidence is quite clear in this case, criminal. As for your reputation sheet, consider that
changed - you're not going near our bases anytime soon after assault on one of my officers.

Was there anything else you wanted to discuss, or do you have any further evidence for your case you want
to show us?

True but the Bactrain is border legal, It might not be the "Perfect 100% Lawfull ship" but the fact is it is still legal just about leagle but still legal as said by the ships info card.

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