Huh, I never thought the under level killing would go so far, eh? Guess I was wrong. Killing because of having an Outcast faction tag? C'mon, that's just -screaming- PvP whore. Is it such a big deal to just actually -leave- under level players alone? It's not that damn hard.
Here, simple... If they attack you first (bringing you shields down to half), fine kill em in self defense. If they start ramming you (and I mean continuesly after asking them to stop) and there's no admin around, kill em. But you should not have to attack first just for the hell of it. Is that such a hard rule to follow? Meh, just my 2 cents.
A Possible Idea for this to stop is this, and I dont know exactly how it could work, it is just an Idea, but basically instead of turning the pvp off in NY could it be worked similarly to what the Admin faction is,
lvl 29 and under, you are friendly to all player factions. Meaning Friendly- no death by other players, at lvl 30 you are required to get a new ID, Military, navy, trader etc. at that moment you equip that ID, your Player faction is set to neutral, hostile or friendly, depending on what ID you got.
As I am writing this though, I am thinking a lot of people will abuse it though, and keep civ ID tagged, I guess that is where the police and military come in. They scan ships for contraband anyway, take a peek at the ID tag and if anything report it, with a screen shot
(BTW for some reason I cant figure out how to take one of those so if someone could tell me that would be outstanding)
I dont like the fact that a few bad apples have ruined this for us. But those of us that do do the right thing, perhaps we can come to some sort of a solution that will help us all out.
And I know this Idea has a few people groaning, I am not a programmer, dont pretend to be nor do I think I will ever be one. but if it is possible, it may be a way to change things around so we can have our fun, and still enforce the rules without our Admins pulling out what little hair they have left.
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I have to say that this entire discussion so far is completely and totally unclear to me.
It appears that FH was initially condemning "over rank 30's" from attacking "under rank 30's", but all the subsequent rancor appears to be directed at 13Centkiller who, unless he is lying, was perfectly justified in destroying both of the "under rank 30's" who attacked him.
The exact nature of what is wrong needs to be explained more thoroughly here.
Axe, I am sorry that you got blown up in a starflier, but that could have just as easily happened while you were en route outside NY to buy your first ship. A PvP protection in NY isn't going to protect anyone leaving NY, which as a soon to be Outcast like yourself you were going to be doing soon.
Personally, I don't get all excited about being attacked while in a Starflier. It happened to me within the first 5 minutes of being on this server 3 months ago and it didn't bother me at all. As a matter of fact, it was pretty exhilirating and was a big contribution to the reasons I stuck around: finally some excitement!
If any of this furor is directed at the members of The Lane Hacker clan who are relegated to Daggers and under rank 30 until they are promoted, then I would appreciate some PMs about it. So far, I have received none. I can tell you that several of our under rank 30 Daggers have been blown up by Liberty Lawfuls (including =LSF=), and we have kept the info in house. I frankly see no need to do otherwise. I don't believe anything has been malicious and the Liberty lawfuls aren't used to us yet.
This whole thing is about to go in a very unfortunate direction. I have been hoping that The Lane Hackers could encourage some under rank 30 combat between us and LSF and SA. Practically no one on this server thinks that anything smaller than a HF is worth flying. How dull. I saw just yesterday a LSF with an "under rank 30" following my "under rank 30" around, and I was hoping that this was the beginning of a trend for some of them to create new characters just for that purpose.
Please, please, please, LSF and SA: start some new Startracker/Patriots/Defenders and come after our Daggers!!!!!!
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@Xoria: It's not the fact that I was blown up in my starflier, but the situation that it was blown up in. A starflier means nothing to me. I had some credits coming my way and was stood still waiting outside Manhatten for them. This is when a low level LSF ship took it upon himself to attack and destroy me. If a new player is waiting or receiving help outside manhatten, the last thing they want is to be attacked and destroyed.
And as a side note, I've been up to Alpha through Alaska, minor, delta, kappa and whatever else in a starflier. Leaving NY really isn't a problem for me.
Both sides of the argument have very valid points. One side saying that we cannot kill low level players because it ruins their gameplay, such as in the example of Axe. This is, as I see it, the main point here.
The other side wanted to encourage under level 30 player vs player to diversify the use of ships and the types of combat.
Both sides have good intentions, so balance is key in the dictations of the administrators. I do not believe that balance has been achieved by deactivating PvP in New York.
Personally I no problem with those wishing to roleplay in sub 30 level ships, as long as its for your true
RP reasons, and it doesn't involve anyone else outside of the specifics for that roleplay ...
But very few people do actually Tag, ID and affiliate their ships below that level, and carry a civilian ID
for that reason. Not everyone wants to play that game when they start.
So when we have a self-appointed sub level player deciding to bring everyone into the world of the terrorist
Xeno, whether they want it or not, then we have to re-think the parameters.
People quoting the rules, and saying they are '110%' right for doing what they did, does not necessarily
make it a good thing. Especially when you are carrying a terrorist ID. Its a license to kill pretty much any
thing you feel like, and mark my words, that is not going to happen ...
If it is confined to the ranks of the Hackers/SA/LSF/Xenos/Rogues, its fine ... But when it starts to involve
everyone else, whether they want it or not, then it will cease, especially if just faction tags become one of
the reasons for attack. IDs are still to be scanned first.
Thats always a problem with good ideas, and the Hacker's one is a good one, they get abused when people
find a way to do it.
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New York is Now a non PVP area again, until we make it clear this will not be tolerated.
I have Just asked Korrd if i can do this and he said Yes, you will now have to wait until Korrd or Igiss reply to this post.
Advice was ignored and people accused Admins of abuse.
so blame yourself People.
Cheers
/Signed and Enforced.
As Igiss is unavaliable at the time of this incident, we've decided to disable pvp on NY until we can meet, and decide on a more permanent solution.
Until then, consider the old "No PvP on NY" rule as active.
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I think its quite simple, if you want to fight in light fighters fine, you don't have to be under rank to do this, get your light fighter above rank and fight all you want in it.
Don't bring new players to the server into it, the rule is there to protect them till they find there feet.
' Wrote:I think its quite simple, if you want to fight in light fighters fine, you don't have to be under rank to do this, get your light fighter above rank and fight all you want in it.
Don't bring new players to the server into it, the rule is there to protect them till they find there feet.
IMHO, Equinox just boiled off all the water & explained in 3 lines what so far, has taken up 2 pages
Shame everyone else can't see it though is it ? Something about having to have a low level ship to prove
a point. Its nothing to do with the ship, its down to how much money there is on the character.
If you want to fly Daggers and their contemporary ships, just drop a million on the char, problem solved.
It would stop the problem in an instant.
The rest is just a way round the guns not working on 29 and below ships ...
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