There is a considerable amount of hypocrisy between the TBH and whats going on currently.
Let me illustrate.
A group of corsairs with no accountability to the corsair governing body, shooting whoever they want for whatever reason that makes sense to them, even against the protest of certain other Corsair groups against the shooting of certain zoner groups, over a localized zoner issue, that is localized brought upon by the dissolving of our governing body by your (and others) request.
And your doing the shooting to force accountability by all zoner groups for this localized issue, that wouldn't have happened had our governing body NOT been dissolved in the first place.
' Wrote:We dont mind being shot
Corsairs are incredibly vocal about everyone seeming to shoot at them, and the raids into gamma that seem to be ever-present.
' Wrote:There is a considerable amount of hypocrisy between the TBH and whats going on currently.
Let me illustrate.
A group of corsairs with no accountability to the corsair governing body, shooting whoever they want for whatever reason that makes sense to them, even against the protest of certain other Corsair groups against the shooting of certain zoner groups, over a localized zoner issue, that is localized brought upon by the dissolving of our governing body by your (and others) request.
And your doing the shooting to force accountability by all zoner groups for this localized issue, that wouldn't have happened had our governing body NOT been dissolved in the first place.
Corsairs are incredibly vocal about everyone seeming to shoot at them, and the raids into gamma that seem to be ever-present.
I am getting a bit tired of the whole COZ argument, it is just a strawman and holds no real value. Yes, Every Freeport should not be the same and should not have the same policies. That was the problem with the COZ. Just because every zoner should not be the same does not mean that OSI and TAZ cant talk to each other and issue FR5's when Freeport admins ask for it. It seems to be this huge all or nothing argument that really reaks of only thinking inside the box, black or white.
As to the accountability issue, that is internal Corsair politics and if the other Corsair factions dont have a problem with the RP why should you? We in the Corsair factions try to give each other the freedom to rp the unique nature of all the Corsair factions. TBH was around before the Council, TBH started the Council, and if you think we should not be allowed to rp a group that has left the Council, I think it makes you the hypocrite. You want the freedom for people to rp what they want, so long as they are rping what you want.
Seems to me you are just upset that OSI was able to get the Council to look the other way, but are still threatened to be shot by TBH. Does this have to do with your OSI getting shot? I cant seem to understand any other reason you would have such vehemence about something you are not involved it. Or are you involved with it? Seems this is a bit personal for you, maybe you should institute the sandwich rule on yourself. :)
' Wrote:Corsairs are incredibly vocal about everyone seeming to shoot at them, and the raids into gamma that seem to be ever-present.
There is a difference between inrp and oorp, but I think you know that, you just ignore it when it suites you.
' Wrote:You want the freedom for people to rp what they want, so long as they are rping what you want.
And you want the Zoners to rp giving you an entire system or two, because "your sovereignty" is threatened by some pirates and mercs - invading gamma everyday, when, oh wait, you dont mind getting shot.
You want the freedom for the corsairs to rp what they want, as long as everyone else goes along with it, like issuing FR5's against the already set rp of those factions doing the issuing.
Whose the Kettle and whose the Pot?
As for OSI - I'm part of the escort division of OSI, so actually having a reason to do my job is a good thing. However, from the FP1 standpoint, it's a giant stab in the back since that station has been nothing but bro-tier to the Corsairs.
And all those indie zoners who, for reasons or another, either like having something to shoot with their caps, or don't like being gunned down by 'sair ganksquads while flying their defenseless whales.
' Wrote:And you want the Zoners to rp giving you an entire system or two, because "your sovereignty" is threatened by some pirates and mercs - invading gamma everyday, when, oh wait, you dont mind getting shot.
You want the freedom for the corsairs to rp what they want, as long as everyone else goes along with it, like issuing FR5's against the already set rp of those factions doing the issuing.
Whose the Kettle and whose the Pot?
As for OSI - I'm part of the escort division of OSI, so actually having a reason to do my job is a good thing. However, from the FP1 standpoint, it's a giant stab in the back since that station has been nothing but bro-tier to the Corsairs.
And all those indie zoners who, for reasons or another, either like having something to shoot with their caps, or don't like being gunned down by 'sair ganksquads while flying their defenseless whales.
The TBH is not demanding sovereignty over Theta. All we want, inrp is for the Zoners to take some kind of control and responsibility for who is basing off thier stations. We dont mind being shot oorp, inrp is another story, but again, you know that, you are just twisting things to try and make your own point, which is fairly moot, since it makes little sense. Your argument consists of "you shouldnt shoot zoners no matter what" which I dont really accept as a legitimate argument. Instead of trying to rule lawyer, why is it you are not trying to deal with it in rp? Also, I am not saying oorp that the Zoners have to do anything inrp, I am saying that their are consequences to thier rp. Just as their are consequences to TBH's rp. I fully expect to be FR5'ed by the Zoners.
I also love your argument that Zoners need to shoot Corsairs in thier caps, but not be shot by Corsairs in their tradeships. Great logic there buddy-boy.
' Wrote:The TBH is not demanding sovereignty over Theta. All we want, inrp is for the Zoners to take some kind of control and responsibility for who is basing off thier stations. We dont mind being shot oorp, inrp is another story, but again, you know that, you are just twisting things to try and make your own point, which is fairly moot, since it makes little sense. Your argument consists of "you shouldnt shoot zoners no matter what" which I dont really accept as a legitimate argument. Instead of trying to rule lawyer, why is it you are not trying to deal with it in rp? Also, I am not saying oorp that the Zoners have to do anything inrp, I am saying that their are consequences to thier rp. Just as their are consequences to TBH's rp. I fully expect to be FR5'ed by the Zoners.
I'm not quoting rules - your confusing me with the other guy.
My argument is - shoot the zoners that are shooting you. Make a clear point of who is on your side and who isn't.
With the localized Theta issue - your dealing with ONE Zoner - thats Mao - The Omicroners are no longer an issue.
Your getting indie zoners shooting you, because they are shooting back at all the indies youve whipped into a gank frenzy. Then you hide behind the persecution complex, which, i
I'll admit, we do too (but who doesn't in disco? the reavers?). The difference with Zoner's is we never fire first. And some of us never fired at all, or were even involved - yet your demanding we all be dispensed with equally, despite wrongdoing or no.
As for management of Theta, ask me on skype, and I'll give you my two cents.
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' Wrote:I also love your argument that Zoners need to shoot Corsairs in thier caps, but not be shot by Corsairs in their tradeships. Great logic there buddy-boy.
I was illustrating that there will be some zoners who enjoy the turn of events, whether because they like having something they can shoot - and some zoners who very much dislike the situation, because they have no guns with which to defend themselves.
My point was not that zoners need to shoot anything, or that they should even be given the option too. self-defense is perfectly fine for a group of ragged pioneers who want to be left well enough alone.
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' Wrote:Instead of trying to rule lawyer, why is it you are not trying to deal with it in rp?
No capacity to make policy. I'm not a zoner in control of anything. All I do is fly my cap8 zoner forumlancer battleship, and occasionally have some debates on the nature of politics in a game about space boats
' Wrote:I'm not quoting rules - your confusing me with the other guy.
My argument is - shoot the zoners that are shooting you. Make a clear point of who is on your side and who isn't.
With the localized Theta issue - your dealing with ONE Zoner - thats Mao - The Omicroners are no longer an issue.
Your getting indie zoners shooting you, because they are shooting back at all the indies youve whipped into a gank frenzy. Then you hide behind the persecution complex, which, i
I'll admit, we do too (but who doesn't in disco? the reavers?). The difference with Zoner's is we never fire first. And some of us never fired at all, or were even involved - yet your demanding we all be dispensed with equally, despite wrongdoing or no.
As for management of Theta, ask me on skype, and I'll give you my two cents.
Unfortunatly, instead of those Zoners going to the Zoner factions, inrp telling them how this issue is a problem for them, they are complaining oorp about Corsair attacks. The whole point is to put pressure on the Zoner factions, inrp, this is one of the few ways to do it. We may disagree on this matter, I have my view, you have your view, and I doubt either of us will be able to convince the other to change our mind. That said, TBH is my faction and I run it the way I and my faction members want to run it. In terms of TBH, it is our opinion that counts in what we do.
A just because I disagree with you and suggest that when that happens I will follow my factions wishes, to you obviosuly means there is no reason for a feedback thread. Again, lido's to you on your logic.
' Wrote:You were saying?
That is the Council of Elders and as you have complained, we are not part of it.
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