(05-20-2013, 09:16 PM)Lonely_Ghost Wrote: Worst BS- Osiris indeed sux. Only one question-why?
i wouldnt say Ossie sucks, but it was made considerably harder to use. Demanding a high skill and much more dependent on use of proper tactics.
When i was a newbie, i travelled once in Omicrons in Lib dread(Navy).
There i met Osiris, fighter and GB. After some time they attacked me. I was with HAU4 and without TS i almost killed CAU8 Osiris. We both wasted our regens and i died when he was without repairs and at 35% hull
I deem the Valor to be the best in battleship duels without cloaks. You won't just let your enemy get past you, right? After pounding your opponent with your FG and your Cerbs, you can use reverse and EK to prevent him from reaching your blind spots. Before that happens, you can strafe up-down quite well. Because of a similar quality, the Kusari BS shouldn't be disregarded.
In engagements against more enemy battleships (except if those are Valors), while you're alone, I think the Liberty dreadnought would be the best. Two dreads can tank a turtle, but two turtles can lose against a dread.
The Elbe, with all those secondaries, and a small size, should stand quite well against bombers.
By my opinion, the Kronos, or the Sarissa, should be the worst. They're too big to fight on high range, while being too weak to tank. They're also easy targets for bombers, having a relatively big size and medium amount of secondaries. The Sarissa could, however, actually have an advantage, being a bit more agile, what helps her TS.
PS: The Ossie doesn't suck. Just look at that back/forward profile. Well, if you don't need a microscope.
(05-21-2013, 12:33 PM)Thunderer Wrote: I deem the Valor to be the best in battleship duels without cloaks. You won't just let your enemy get past you, right? After pounding your opponent with your FG and your Cerbs, you can use reverse and EK to prevent him from reaching your blind spots. Before that happens, you can strafe up-down quite well. Because of a similar quality, the Kusari BS shouldn't be disregarded.
In engagements against more enemy battleships (except if those are Valors), while you're alone, I think the Liberty dreadnought would be the best. Two dreads can tank a turtle, but two turtles can lose against a dread.
The Elbe, with all those secondaries, and a small size, should stand quite well against bombers.
By my opinion, the Kronos, or the Sarissa, should be the worst. They're too big to fight on high range, while being too weak to tank. They're also easy targets for bombers, having a relatively big size and medium amount of secondaries. The Sarissa could, however, actually have an advantage, being a bit more agile, what helps her TS.
PS: The Ossie doesn't suck. Just look at that back/forward profile. Well, if you don't need a microscope.
I agree, but ossie can be closer and closer because he TS, and you can to not, so if he wont kill you you will easily annihilate it. Why turtle will lose aganist dread? I saw one which easily kills dread 1vs1
This topic is pointless. No battleship will excel at every role. Light battleships are better at range - like the Ossie, LibDread, Mako, Togo. They can take the odd few hits, and can still dish out a strong amount of firepower, especially against targets that don't dodge as well - but as stated, if someone pins their wings with a CD and a heavy cruises up, their lifetime is measured in seconds. Once BS and CR missiles start working and damaging stuff properly, they (and their cruiser counterparts) will have a much harder time dodging things. Dreads are basically mobile firebases. They can't dodge worth a damn, but they make up for their lack of maneuverability in excessive firepower. Examples of these are the Ranseur, Legate, Nephilim, RMBS and KuDread.
Neither of these classes excels in solo operation. The Dreads tend to require less skill to operate properly, but still require some tactical insight on when to get close, and when to stay at max range (in a missile duel for instance, you can stick at high range and use your more powerful hull and core to outlast an enemy).
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(05-21-2013, 02:35 PM)AeternusDoleo Wrote: Light battleships are better at range - like LibDread
I had quite much laugh here. Liberty Dread is Light BS? Serious? Have you seen it even?
Three Heavies (Togo and Mako have 2 and Ossie actually have 1), Medium Core, 140k more armor then Ossie or Mako (hell, even more then Dunkirk and RH BS) and 100 more regens then light BS too. Yea it have turning speed as Light BS, but that actually only making in more OP with that Medium BS stats. And its size? Its very close to Osiris. Osiris might be thiner, but look at this ship stats. So its not Light BS, but Medium BS that is sized and handled as Light one. It. Is. Over. Powered.
Fighting on Osiris with LibDreads is nearly impossible - Lib dread can have dual missiles or three Cerberus. Ossie just stuck with one Cerb or Mortar. And you go try to hit LibDread with them. I guess that is one of reasons why Order and 'Sairs is inactive in .86.
Osiris is most UP BS right now and LibDread is most OP one. Period.
@Thunderer
most people deem the sarissa useless since it is huge and weaker then ranseur. On the contrary, Sarissa is ironically a BEAST at kiting, because of it's insane agility.
@AD
Not entirely true, some ships do excel at every role, however it all boils down to tactics. Redemption, Dunkirk, Jormungand and Elbe.
Nephilim does not make up for it's lack of manouverability with high damage, it makes up for it with being a good RP platform and looking good.
@belarusich
Project Dragon usually flies along with several escort ships. In addition to the fact that the majority of the LN forces doesnt utilize tactics as much as Project Dragon does. It is simply a matter of brain and brawn vs brawn.
(05-21-2013, 02:35 PM)AeternusDoleo Wrote: Light battleships are better at range - like LibDread
I had quite much laugh here. Liberty Dread is Light BS? Serious? Have you seen it even?
Three Heavies (Togo and Mako have 2 and Ossie actually have 1), Medium Core, 140k more armor then Ossie or Mako (hell, even more then Dunkirk and RH BS) and 100 more regens then light BS too. Yea it have turning speed as Light BS, but that actually only making in more OP with that Medium BS stats. And its size? Its very close to Osiris. Osiris might be thiner, but look at this ship stats. So its not Light BS, but Medium BS that is sized and handled as Light one. It. Is. Over. Powered.
Fighting on Osiris with LibDreads is nearly impossible - Lib dread can have dual missiles or three Cerberus. Ossie just stuck with one Cerb or Mortar. And you go try to hit LibDread with them. I guess that is one of reasons why Order and 'Sairs is inactive in .86.
Osiris is most UP BS right now and LibDread is most OP one. Period.
Well I dont understand how to kill enemies in lib dread, because I cant understand how to TS normally...
(05-21-2013, 02:35 PM)AeternusDoleo Wrote: Light battleships are better at range - like LibDread
I had quite much laugh here. Liberty Dread is Light BS? Serious? Have you seen it even?
Three Heavies (Togo and Mako have 2 and Ossie actually have 1), Medium Core, 140k more armor then Ossie or Mako (hell, even more then Dunkirk and RH BS) and 100 more regens then light BS too. Yea it have turning speed as Light BS, but that actually only making in more OP with that Medium BS stats. And its size? Its very close to Osiris. Osiris might be thiner, but look at this ship stats. So its not Light BS, but Medium BS that is sized and handled as Light one. It. Is. Over. Powered.
Fighting on Osiris with LibDreads is nearly impossible - Lib dread can have dual missiles or three Cerberus. Ossie just stuck with one Cerb or Mortar. And you go try to hit LibDread with them. I guess that is one of reasons why Order and 'Sairs is inactive in .86.
Osiris is most UP BS right now and LibDread is most OP one. Period.
Well I dont understand how to kill enemies in lib dread, because I cant understand how to TS normally...
There are basically two ways of successful fighting in a libdread. You either go straight and strafe to left/right (needs proper timing, practice required) or you keep moving your ship's nose/back so that the surface that can be hit is as small as possible (means that you don't turn sideways towards your opponent).