The new Xbox Console: Xbox One... okay....

[Treewyrm]

Why not have the console IN the TV? M$ missed a huge opportunity there.

I think most popular companies making TVs aren't keen on letting Microsoft in there directly. The likes of Sony and Samsung mostly.

[Xelon]

Don't worry, in two years you'll have a 3D XBox one TV with integrated kinect and voicecommand, additonally without any usb slots or other kinds of slots for stuff to hook it up with except the Xbox.

And I liked how they said that 15 games will be exclusive to the Xbox.
I fully expect at least half of those to be either timed exclusive, or not that good in the first place.

I won't be getting the new Xbox or PS4, maybe my little brother will, but I'll stay to my good old PC.

And finally, after watching Halo forward unto Dawn Steve told himself: "Now that I have sold of my old stuff it's time to have fun with a new francise."

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[Trail]

My main gripe is this:
You Will Be Able To Trade Xbox One Games Online, Microsoft Says

Or you could just log in with your own account details on his xbox and still play for free. And instead of trading the physical copy you can just trade it to him online (which I doubt costs the full price of what you paid for)

[color=#FFFFFF]As Jim put it Xbawks One...out of Ten, would not play

• Must be online at least once a day
  
• Mandatory install
  
• Pre-purchase subscription and payment
  
• No backwards compatibility
  
• No used games
  

the once per day thing is already denied by microsoft

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4353538...fline-play

not sure what your gripe is with the mandatory install or the subscription since that is nothing new and just continuation of the policy microsoft has had with the 360. The PS3 also has mandatory install for games

the backwards compatability thing is because the new xbox uses a bluray driver
In comparison PS4 also doesnt have backwards compatability

In short, “There are two ways [to play legacy content]: emulation or cloud services [from Gaikai]. But native support [of digital games from PS3], no, sorry. It doesn’t work.”

and you can get used games. just through their system.

Anyway im not getting the xbox one. I am 23 and ever since ive been able to afford PC games (for a long time now) and able to keep my PC upgraded I have not had the need to get a console or use my aging Wii / 360 (they are pretty dusty and havent used them since forza 3 came out, which if you are familiar with the game is a VERY long time ago). Maybe down the line I will pick up both of them when they are cheap and play the exclusives but thats about it.

My PC is already better hardware wise compared to both machines and mine is about 2 years old. Still no reason money wise to get a console over a PC since its cheaper to upgrade. Im better off spending the 400 -600 - 800 dollars (who knows at this point?) on a PC upgrade

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[Agmen of Eladesor]

I am 23 and ever since ive been able to afford PC games (for a long time now) and able to keep my PC upgraded I have not had the need to get a console or use my aging Wii / 360 (they are pretty dusty and havent used them since forza 3 came out, which if you are familiar with the game is a VERY long time ago). Maybe down the line I will pick up both of them when they are cheap and play the exclusives but thats about it.

My PC is already better hardware wise compared to both machines and mine is about 2 years old. Still no reason money wise to get a console over a PC since its cheaper to upgrade. Im better off spending the 400 -600 - 800 dollars (who knows at this point?) on a PC upgrade

Wait, what did you just say?

Realize that the Xbox 360 is now 8 years old. Yes, it was released in 2005. I remember that well, because I was a Microsoft retail rep then. So it cost you $300 USD then. How is spending $300 one time in 8 years cheaper than spending $400 every two years on a PC upgrade (since that's, you know, $1600)?

Before you say that it's impossible to only spend it once ... all I have to do is look at the Xbox 360 console sitting in my living room. That one was in a Wal-Mart and turned on for 24/7 for a year before I ended up getting it. I did have to do the x-clamp fix on it when it RROD'd after 3 years. And it's still going strong - I do about 20 hours of gaming on it a week. (Skyrim for the 5th time, if you must know.)

And THAT'S who Microsoft is building consoles for - the people who (like me) got tired every two years of basically having to rebuild their PC's because the newest games require the newest graphics cards - and PC's just can't keep up. Not to say that at this point we may have reached the point of diminishing returns, with SSD's and 16 GB of RAM and totally insane graphics cards - but ...

After a while you go wait a minute. This is like me taking my perfectly good car and just because someone else comes up with something new my car can't do (or do well), taking out the engine and putting in a new one. Every two years. I've been able to afford to do that for ... well, honestly more years than you've been alive (just so I can pull out my old man thing here, since it's expected of me) ... and it gets tiresome after a while.

And honestly, parents will still drop the $400 (rumored price) for the Xbox One because it's still cheaper and easier to put an electronic babysitter in their home than actually be involved with their kids.

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Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.

[Beauenheim]

You don't have to upgrade every two years, there's still a computer in this house with a 5 year old hardware and it can run Bioshock Infinite and The Witcher 2 on high.

If you invest a large sum of money (granted an xbox could be cheaper), then the computer will last years and years and still outperform the garbage Xbox 360 (The failure rate on them is still terrible even with their new "slim") And you can play games that just look so much better and not have to pay a monthly subscription to xbox live.

And the point of consoles disappeared when you had to start installing your games on the xbox hdd.

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[Trail]

I am 23 and ever since ive been able to afford PC games (for a long time now) and able to keep my PC upgraded I have not had the need to get a console or use my aging Wii / 360 (they are pretty dusty and havent used them since forza 3 came out, which if you are familiar with the game is a VERY long time ago). Maybe down the line I will pick up both of them when they are cheap and play the exclusives but thats about it.

My PC is already better hardware wise compared to both machines and mine is about 2 years old. Still no reason money wise to get a console over a PC since its cheaper to upgrade. Im better off spending the 400 -600 - 800 dollars (who knows at this point?) on a PC upgrade

Wait, what did you just say?

Realize that the Xbox 360 is now 8 years old. Yes, it was released in 2005. I remember that well, because I was a Microsoft retail rep then. So it cost you $300 USD then. How is spending $300 one time in 8 years cheaper than spending $400 every two years on a PC upgrade (since that's, you know, $1600)?

Before you say that it's impossible to only spend it once ... all I have to do is look at the Xbox 360 console sitting in my living room. That one was in a Wal-Mart and turned on for 24/7 for a year before I ended up getting it. I did have to do the x-clamp fix on it when it RROD'd after 3 years. And it's still going strong - I do about 20 hours of gaming on it a week. (Skyrim for the 5th time, if you must know.)

And THAT'S who Microsoft is building consoles for - the people who (like me) got tired every two years of basically having to rebuild their PC's because the newest games require the newest graphics cards - and PC's just can't keep up. Not to say that at this point we may have reached the point of diminishing returns, with SSD's and 16 GB of RAM and totally insane graphics cards - but ...

After a while you go wait a minute. This is like me taking my perfectly good car and just because someone else comes up with something new my car can't do (or do well), taking out the engine and putting in a new one. Every two years. I've been able to afford to do that for ... well, honestly more years than you've been alive (just so I can pull out my old man thing here, since it's expected of me) ... and it gets tiresome after a while.

And honestly, parents will still drop the $400 (rumored price) for the Xbox One because it's still cheaper and easier to put an electronic babysitter in their home than actually be involved with their kids.

You're misunderstanding my current PC is 2/3 years old and is better then the PS4 and Xbox one. The comment beauregard makes is spot on. I expect that between now and the next generation of consoles I do not have to spend more then 400 bucks to upgrade to get compareable or better stats then the PS5 or Xbox two (or whatever they end up calling both systems). A one time thing

The computer I had like 6 years ago I couldve upgraded but I decided to sell it and just buy a new one instead. (because the guy I sold it to gave me a really good price) Otherwise upgrades probably would not have costed not more then 400 bucks.

The reason behind this is because Consoles actually hold back game development. Since you cant upgrade a console to get new hardware game developers are forced to limit their games to the hardware of the consoles unless they are PC exclusives. Still, most PC games (even new ones) do not even reach the fulls specs of a 8 core, 8 gigs of ram and 1 / 2 gigs of video card ram usage computer (which is what most usual computers have right now as a bare minumum)

I assume now that the consoles have finally caught up that will be the new standard for a long time (again except for maybe PC exclusives that might break that barrier just a tiny tad)

Besides, you are also not calculating in the fact that PC games are cheaper and that you can get great deals through digital distributors now that are pretty much killing Gamestop and all other game retailers in the PC market (I know a lot of Game retailers do not even sell PC games anymore because they cant compete with the price of Digital Distribution)

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[Luke.]

And honestly, parents will still drop the $400 (rumored price) for the Xbox One because it's still cheaper and easier to put an electronic babysitter in their home than actually be involved with their kids.

This made me laugh so hard. It's so true though.

PC gaming is sort of the Master Race but the Xbox is a plug-in and play system that allows peace and quiet in the house (unless the rage the windows out) and keeps 'em occupied.

Still think the Xbox and Xbox 360 would still be doing a better job of this than the Xbox One though. I mean, $100 a game? (That's what, £60-£70?) I'd rather not. 2 games down the line and you've already paid the equivalent of a new Xbox 360.

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[Draconyx]

I saw where the console gaming was going about 13 years ago - a while after getting a N64. Which was my last non pc gaming rig. It's not worth having a lot of the consoles nowadays - especially if you are like me and don't stick to one type of game.

[Redon]

And I liked how they said that 15 games will be exclusive to the Xbox.
I fully expect at least half of those to be either timed exclusive, or not that good in the first place.

15 exclusives? Let's see...
- Forza
- Gears of war
- Quantum Break Interactive TV
- Kinectimals 2
- Kinect: Star Wars 2
- Kinect: TV
- Kinect: Laundry
- Kinect...

You get it.

Realize that the Xbox 360 is now 8 years old. Yes, it was released in 2005. I remember that well, because I was a Microsoft retail rep then. So it cost you $300 USD then. How is spending $300 one time in 8 years cheaper than spending $400 every two years on a PC upgrade (since that's, you know, $1600)?

Perhaps it is cheaper because in those 8 years, Microsoft also expects me to pay $600 dollars for online multiplayer after buying a first-party wireless adapter for over $100.
I also think $400 every two years is way above what's necessary to keep up with the performance of consoles.

According to him [Xbox head Don Mattrick], only 5 percent of customers actually played older games on a new console, making it a low priority. "If you're backwards compatible, you're really backwards," he said.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/22/435621...-backwards

Dropping backwards compatibility is nothing new, and I figure it has something to do with them going from whatever they used in the 360 to a new architecture, but statements like this make me think they're actively trying to piss off customers.

Microsoft has filed for a Kinect-related patent, and it’s a doozy of an application. The abstract describes a camera-based system that would monitor the number of viewers in a room and check to see if the number of occupants exceeded a certain threshold set by the content provider. If there are too many warm bodies present, the device owner would be prompted to purchase a license for a greater number of viewers.

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706...r-the-mpaa

With this concept patented 6 months back, I wonder what they're going for next to make their console less attractive.

Edit: Here we go!

ConsoleDeals.co.uk has exclusively learnt that Microsoft intends to charge up to £35 for an additional license for a second hand game. The leak emerged from a senior employee at one of the UK’s largest video game retailers.

The source revealed that game retailers will be forced to sell second hand games at just a 10% discount on the original RRP. This news will come as a shock to consumers who are currently used to purchasing trade-in games at up to 50% of the retail value.

With the new Xbox One being announced this week, Microsoft have stated that each game will use a code that locks it to the owner’s account – giving the tech giant complete control over the second hand games market. Such control has been widely speculated but no specifics have been released until now.

Microsoft were quick to counter-act these rumours at the launch event however, stating that they had a trade-in plan in place, and would reveal more about it at 2013′s E3 convention.

Now that this £35 price tag has been revealed, it would mean that your friends and relatives would not be able to borrow your copy of a game and play it, unless they were either playing alongside you logged in as your gamer profile, or willing to shell out £35.

http://www.consoledeals.co.uk/blog/exclu...-each-2201

[Trail]

Perhaps it is cheaper because in those 8 years, Microsoft also expects me to pay $600 dollars for online multiplayer after buying a first-party wireless adapter for over $100.
I also think $400 every two years is way above what's necessary to keep up with the performance of consoles.

Nobody seems to read anymore but as I said and corrected. 400 bucks every generation of consoles. so 4 to 8 years depending on how long this generation lasts. besides the amount you have to play for online multiplayer you are also saving money on cheaper games, better deals and game packs. because games are honestly cheap to get now with steam, gamersgate, GoG and all the other digital distribution sites and software

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