Corsairs attacking liberty...

[Unseelie]

elitism...I've gone there before. My way: Server is titled an RP server. Thats what its for. I'm not saying it has to be good, I'm not saying it has to be particularly intricate. I am saying, if playerslot is being filled with a ship who's pilot cannot be explained as a person, it does not belong. It shouldn't be here. The server isn't a sandbox for people who want to try out the ships, or explore the systems. The server is for Roleplaying.

I can understand and sympathize with people who are new, or haven't ever visited the forums. But everyone knows what RP is. Every single child, in every country, has played make-believe. Thats RP. RP is playing make-believe. Some people may need to be reminded, given a bit of guidance. If you aren't RPing, you are taking a playerslot from someone who would, and you are interfering with people who do. You are making it harder for people to play make-believe, which is hard enough for an adult to do in today's world.

I'm actually against most rp sanctions, simply because I don't know if that player has developed a story for why he has what we might consider oorp guns. The rules tend to restrict RP, which is a common complaint. The rules, often enough, are there because people don't RP. The rules are an attempt to enforce RP.

What it comes down to is, Is this server, is this community an RP community?
One can RP on void. All RP takes is a bit of imagination.
But, disco is more than just a group of people RPing on a PVP server, and the only reason it is, is because the community, as a whole, is an RP community.

When I joined, I wasn't the best at RP, but I chose this server because it had the letters 'RP' stuck in the name. It looked fun. Then our dear Mal took me around, and rped with me, from the very start. Showed me how it was done on disco. I'm sure many of us here today have a simmilar story. People deserve that chance. The chance to enjoy a bit of RP.

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[Lohingren]

Frankly I'm tired of trying to RP as my RM or QCRF with an "allied" indie in a capship, with OORP turrets, whatever.

Enemys that come in in fighters or maybe GB's and RP well and get blasted by these idiots.... Yay. Thanks "Ally"

Some (a few) are pretty good, but they are the exception.

THE ANSWER

Want a RH Cap? Get RM Permission, or die.

Want a Lib Cap? Get LSF or SA permission, or die.

Want a KU cap? Get KNF permission or die.

Want a Bret Cap? Get QCRF permission or die.

Want a OC cap? Get ROS permission or die.

etc, TBH, TAZ, UOG....

Harsh? Maybe. Do I care? No.

Radical way to do it? Faction Leaders get a ship setup for them on new account, with Admin Gear, for the EXPRESS PURPOSE of killing unwanted indie caps.

desperate times call for desperate measures i suppose.

im a man that doesnt like to restrict people just because they don't have a factions tag.

but times are getting to the point its stupid, to many of em running rabid with no RP what so ever. i do propose as my 3rd duke said to only give permission to those whom have sent a RP post to such faction leader of such house and to give permission then. if they don't banish them until they do. and if they still don't kill em till they get the point.

recently ive had to drive out a non official faction out of malta for this precise reason. seen 3-4 of em all of em in oc dessies 2 of which looking to buy a big flashy bs and dreadnought. i personally told them to leave alpha immediately or i would have to get physical. i told him to send a RP post to me and eppy about it etc .... still to this day waiting on that RP post. maybe i drove them away from the server completely?

i dont like having to be rough to people of my own alignment but to be honest its got to the point if i see someone whoring a cap ship with no RP what so ever and just running into system shouting "LOL" "ROFL" ":D,:),:(,:P" im just gonna give you 2 warning if you dont take em sorry i will blow the living crap out of you.

might cause civil war but its something that needs to be done.

though if i do see someone flying the ship with good RP il congratulate you and let you be off. but from now on i would probably say put down some rules from all the faction leaders stating you need to give a application of some sort before you are allowed to purchase said cap ship. and if you dont well il do to you what lawfuls do to smugglers pulling good through lawful systems.

cause lets face it, they ruining the name of all the factions by whoring em left and right

EDIT: we could also isolate them from the rest of the community, completely shut them out from everything till they realise what they're doing is wrong. its a very elitist thing to do. but someone said earlier why not kill they're fun like they're killing ours?

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Reapers of Sirius Database

[Spear]

Today I have seen 2 Xenos dock on a Rogue base, The same Corsair Dread killed 3 times in Liberty along with a Corsair Cruiser and 2 GB's, swearing, total OORP blah blah blah!

Of course it works both ways, the amount of Cap whores is stunning. Yet kick the lawful ones out of Liberty and we have no defense against the unlawfuls that attack regulary and vica versa. The solution? Only official factions and independants with Admin approval should be allowed to operate Capital class ships. I for one am sick of the sight of all these warships that spawn more and more large warships in retaliation. It's a capital ship arms race thats just beyond boring.

Finished posting this, went back in game! Guess what? Another Corsair Dread, Cruiser and fighter jump into NY for a fight. I asked all lawfuls to assist and they were quickly annihilated. Thats not the point, the point is why are Corsairs attacking NY in this kind of force? Does my RP have to be put on hold to contiually repel a fleet of OORP capwhores? Apparentley it does.

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=LSF=

[Gladiator]

I agree something must be done, however the admins probebly know this already :)

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[Reverend Del]

I was there for the last attack, and I have to say there was a small attempt at RP despite them being given three or four chancesto do so, they did atempt to justify their attack, but I still don't believe they should ahve been there. Corsairs in NY is mostly OORP, they have no allies there they have next to no business besides the artifact smugglers, they shouldn't be there in capships. Freighters and fighters as escorts for said freighters, yes. Things that can fly under the radar, certainly, but things I can see from 8k away no.

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[Lohingren]

let me put it this way.

RoS go into new york (Outcasts ARE in ny) for a little raid.

we get told to leave by hoodlum. now outcasts have a good reason to be there but i understand why hoodlum said it. but thats not the point from here on RoS aint allowed in NY without reason mainly helping cardi get brought into NY.

so why is Corsairs allowed with no reason at all?

EDIT: i might have worded this wrong all in all what i was getting at if outcasts aint allowed to be there corsairs sure as hell aint RP excuse or not

ANOTHER EDIT: i suppose they could probably pull the we where helping atrifacts get onto manhattan line, which i would agree on .... but i can probably safely say there was no transport with them and cap ships don't escort transports. thats GB/bomber/fighters job. BS's and Cruisers are combat ships so yeah no excuse at all really for rolling into NY with them.

lets face it they dont have a staging point for miles how they got enough fuel to reach the place and get back in one piece?

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Reapers of Sirius Database

[Laowai]

I'm an independant, i have two "capships" a gunboat and a cruiser. I also have 3 fighters and and advance train....

I'd like to think i RP well - i at least try.
When i first got here, i really hadn't fleshed out my RP yet, i probably did OORP things... its possible some of these people might be in the same situation i was.

Part of the RP of one of my characters is to NOT be in a faction.
Breathe before we start sanctioning people left right and centre and restricting what people can and cant fly - i really hope that doesn't happen - give people the chance to develop.

I also think another problem here is that many many many people who come to the server as independents don't speak English - its not thay they are "Cap whoring OORPers" per se, its just they probably dont understand whats going on, they dont register on the forums because they don't understand what we are saying. I try to RP with these people, but its a daily occurance for me to cross some unlucky guy flying around who tells me "Sorry my English not good". Would it be possible somewhere in the Readme file on the mod or the instructions for the server to have a few notes in a few major languages stating the fact that this is an English Rping server... warn them....? im sure there are enough players on here who speak English and another language that could make that happen.

My last point... Corsairs do have business in Liberty, at least until the artifact smuggling routes are fixed up...ive argued this before. But Lots of capsips arriving though to attack... should at least be Role played... attack all you want, but at least have some kind of story for WHY you're there.

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[cabinn]

I agree that what is going on is bad.

I am going to defend 'good' independents. mostly because I consider myself one.

At first I was an independent becasue I wanted to get to know folks before picking a faction. Then I decided to stay indy because I was afraid I couldn't commit enough time to be a good member of a faction. So I looked fr a way to RP a fairly indy type of character - so I settled on making a character that is an independent miner/explorer - a member of the IMG, you know that guild of INDEPENDENT miners! Since I wanted to fly around in the outer systems and wanted the freedom of independence, I chose a way of doing this that would still make for good RP. I have had a great time RP'ing in the outer systems as an independent miner - and it works for the amount of time I have to dedicate to the DISCO.

This first tentaive step into good RP inspired me to spend time working on and fixing the rep of my trader char so it would not be rep tagged 'NAVY' or something ridiculous like that.

There are good indy's out there - and we have met them. Unfortunately there are some bad ones out there too.

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[kingvaillant]

I haven't read all the posts, and I won't read them all

But!

WE LSF, SA, LPI, etc etc etc etc are tired to see independents and Wanabee factions around

As multiple LSF, SA, LPI told us (msg dumps, chat, skype etc) Ind are an Issue.

We have only one solution for the moment Me, Brian and Patrick spoke on skype and decided that the only solution was to kick them out of Liberty, and force them to register on forums to ask for a permission to operate in liberty. Otherwise they will be ELIMINATED on sight.

LSF is approving this idea, Just waiting for SA high command And LPI to say what they think about it.

Once we have the approval of all liberty Lawful factions We will kick them all out Mercilessly.

EDIT: Forgot to add,, yes there is some well respected Ind around, But they will still have to ask for the permission to operate in liberty, But It wont be hard for them to be approved if they have at least decent RP skills and a decent explanation for owning a capital ship

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Director of the Liberty Security Force: Fidelity, Bravery and Integrity

The Amundsen Zone-21 Restrictions

[Praetyre]

For those that consider said motion unreasonable, remember that said policy has been tried and works in Rheinland. It keeps all accountable to a single law, reduces ridiculous nonsense like 500k fines for parking and it maintains good RP (LSF, not the 1st Division of the LSF).

Also, this is directed towards "independent LSF, LPI and LN". Any others can come, though we may get skittish about capital ships in our territory.

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