Corsairs attacking liberty...

[pipsqueak]

Another solution...

Arm [Angels] with Admin shield and guns. May be half capacity if admins are afraid they might turn on them.

Once a PvP brothel accupant starts doing his or her thing,
Give em a warning and then blow em to smitherines and keep doing till they get the message.

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[McNeo]

We, most of the Corsairs, and I in particular, KNOW THAT Adrian!

But we really can't act without the full support of the Benitez and the OPG, which constitute a good portion of the factionalised Corsairs. And the thread isn't moving forward at a satisfactory pace, I agree. In fact, its not moving forward at all.

If it were my decision alone, I would still have problems entertaining your notion, as I cannot be mean due to ignorance.

@ Laowai.

I can't respond in RP to that, because you shouldn't know that information, in RP. It was published here to form and continue a discussion, with possible plans for the future. Not as general knowledge for all characters in Sirius to know, and use against us.

However, I understand your views on the matter. People who RP their ships, whether it be a fighter or a dreadnought, will be allowed to keep them, provided they use them in moderation.

But, last time I was in a fight, it was five UOG around gamma against, at least four battleships, three cruisers, four gunboats and six fighters/bombers. One gunboat was TBH, and the fighters were mostly if not wholely crewed by the TBH and the Benitez members.

I am sure you can agree that the UOG force, consisting of four fighters/bombers and a single gunboat, against four battleships alone would be silly, but with the whole supporting force behind it, that was unacceptable.

Those that have RP'ed to get a dreadnought, battleship or cruiser will keep them. But I dont think that "Cargotrain2" is a fitting name for a Praetyre cruiser, do you?

Provided they fulfill RP and use their ships showing restraint in PvP terms, they will be allowed to keep them, of course. You for example, RP'ed your ship, and I have no quarrel with you keeping it. However, "Cargotrain2" and whatever other silly names show no RP, and their players show even less restraint in PvP.

Is this a problem? I think so.

As a note:

I really do grow tired of diplomacy. Nothing ever gets done, ever. Corsair council, Zoner council, whatever council, its all the same. Too much of :rtfm:and not enough action taken. I much prefer dictatorship, in the good ol' days.

[onca]

I agree with McNeo. Is this the proud Corsair nation who stood united and alone, beleaguered by a sea of enemies? Actually not alone -- we stood back-to-back with the Coalition, but from what I can deduce they were driven to be TBH's enemies, thanks the bloody trigger happy indies and capwhores.

Teach them all a freakin lesson.

[Niznusan]

Im really confused. Ive been gone a couple of months (video card) and I launch from Manhattan and into a huge battle with my trader( I figured it out on my own that there was now PvP in NY:)).I make it to Rheinland and they were nice enough to tell me that they would destroy me if I ever returned because my trader is LSF tagged, not in the faction. (most of my fighters are =LSF=). I don't smuggle, and I know you cant just blow up a trader...but I never argue with the RM. So I'm trying to change my tag and work on my rep for my trader so I can access RM airspace. After reading these posts, I see I may get blown up anywhere as an independent. Do I have to get permission from every house now to fly in their airspace?

[Unseelie]

Well, actually, yes.
Before, it was granted to you as a matter of course, but, yes, you do need each and every faction's permission to fly in their airspace.

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[Niznusan]

What I meant was...do I need to make some kind of formal application or something? Or can I just ask them for clearance ingame like normal? Im sorry for sounding confused...but I am.

[Unseelie]

Generally, ingame will do.
RM are hostile to your LSF tagged trader because Liberty and Rheinland are close to war, though, it should be said, that SA and RM have dissallowed all mercs or freelancers from their territory.

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[Niznusan]

OK thanks for clearing that up, I appreciate it

[bluntpencil2001]

I agree with McNeo. Is this the proud Corsair nation who stood united and alone, beleaguered by a sea of enemies? Actually not alone -- we stood back-to-back with the Coalition, but from what I can deduce they were driven to be TBH's enemies, thanks the bloody trigger happy indies and capwhores.

Teach them all a freakin lesson.

Just say the word.;)

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[McNeo]

Unfortunately, he can't and neither can I. Even if the TBH Elders agreed, we couldn't unless the Benitez and the OPG also agreed.

I will be influenced by only the facts and my conscience when choosing where and what time to throw my chips in.

I will not go in depth as to the reasons the relations between the SCRA and TBH went sour here, as it will turn into a big flame if I do.