I pointed USS to Turkish for a possible "merge" or including USS as a part of SA.. since they have 11 players.. and after some fault in the start they are starting to get along well...following rules..., RPing.. cutting down caps...
don't know how it's going on though...
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
' Wrote:Look, you can be as elite as you want - be the Kossak of modernity if you want, but even that, can't beat a super power. And Liberty is one. Liberty is probably thousands time richer than corsair should be, it can mobilize a force Corsairs cant match (since they are starving, obviously natality should be low)
If liberty cant win in a one on one fight with you, they CAN and WILL swarm you with their numbers. And they can afford to, because Alaska obviously has some of their most scret stuffs over there, and theyd defend it at all cost.
I'm not gonna say the name of the war in which a band of so called "peasant" soldiers trounced a European world power, and then went on to humiliate the worlds greatest superpower - but its starts with a "V".
Again, reputation for being Elite counts for nothing, back it up with real force or its all a lot of hot air. Sure liberty is a major house with greater economic power, which the Corsairs don't have - but that doesn't mean Corsairs aren't going to attack and raid targets in liberty... What they are NOT able to do is STAY there....
I'm not saying Corsairs ignore the NPC's in Alaska.. they cant... they get shot by them... but what im saying is that if Liberty is serious about stopping people coming through Alaska to New York then its gonna be up to the Human players to do it - why don't the human players park some ships regularly at the mouth of the minefield? it makes perfect sense to me... protect your secret base with real protection.
Arguing whether Zone 21 and Alaska are secret or not from the point of view of the Corsairs is a waste of time, They know it's there, The Order knows its there, and they are using it. I have done the Alaska run to NY many times, I've done it in my gunboat a few times as well so i can make some money - i have never ONCE ran into a Liberty Force stationed at the mouth of the mine field - ..I would love to jump into NY one time and find a couple of Human Cap ships sitting at the minefield entrance pointing big nasty guns at me and saying "Boy.. you sure are in the wrong place" - There is no room to maneuver in that mine passage....
about zone 21 : if the official forces agree that zone 21 is rather used for RP as a "no-go" place, isn t it better to petition to shut it down with the next update? - no sarcasm here.
on Cheshire, i use it as long as i am permitted, recently i usually ask the official forces ( if they are around ) - in the end, there are BHGs on the other side, aren t there? - however, if i was denied to go through alaska, i d simply use the next shortest route through tohoku ( unless the KNF shuts THAT one down one day, too - cause in the end, tohoku is allmost as mystical and secret as alaska, isn t it? - leaves the journey through the omicrons, which at least the guild knows - but certainly no house guard.
mind you, if liberty doesn t know about gamma - they will never get a supernova for their bombers and a lot of other gear will be restricted, too if we apply RP to all systems. bretonians do not know about omega-49 and gran canaria, omega-55 / 58 are maybe known to explorers and the order, gamma / alpha are not known to any inner sphere person.
the lawfuls are shooting their own foot when they start to RP every gate ( and limit themselves to the rather weaker gear - yet its more in RP, no doubt .. but maybe not so funny when corsairs attack with supernovas, while all liberty bombers can only mount sunslayers, cause they have no way to get to any place a SN is sold, if they stay in RP. )
about shields:
its not so widely known what faction uses what shields. - and i gotto admit, i usually choose brigandine ( positron ) shields... why? - i don t know, - i don t like graviton shields and molecular ones sound silly. when its about shields, i never really think about their effectivness much.
Skoko didn't try to enforce any new rules or anything Etaphreven, he was just pointing out that our Navy should actually in fact be..a Navy, far stronger than it is now. We've got some average and some good pilots in the SA, and almost no caps, now in my opinion we should be stronger in firepower than the LSF at least. I have characters in the SA and i'm also the same rank as Skoko in the USS, I can tell you that if our two factions were to merge somehow, the SA would at least get some valid firepower so they don't get laughed at by the pirate battleships/destroyers and other cap ships...
As it is right now, every time we fight enemy cap ships the SA has to call in either the LSF or the USS, and it should not be that way. I just hope we can cooperate to work on some better RP and some way for the USS to become more useful to the SA in general. Now I know that as almost any faction the USS also has some "bad apples" but we're trying to root these out at the moment and it wont take that long before USS becomes a very good part of our Liberty RP and security. We've had issues and problems in the past, with us being called cap whores and everything...I can't say that we weren't, but we've grown, read the rules ( quite a few times:P ), and we're writing a nice little RP story for the USS, in fact we have quite a few stories but we can't decide on which is best.
But in short, all I wanted to say is, I hope that future cooperation between the USS and the SA is possible seeing as me and Skoko play in both factions and they're not that much different, the SA has the advantage because of a more established history on the server and the chain of command, while also being an official faction. USS is unofficial and we're not sure if we'll make it official or just incorporate it into the SA if we get permission, that is a matter we'll have to discuss with the SA high command. But until then, I do hope you'll see us in some new light, that is, that we are really trying hard to RP all this well and to get accepted by the community. Not all of us speak english that well so RPing properly is sometimes difficult, but we try to maintain a certain degree of dignity and I can say that i'm quite proud of some USS members that are putting a lot of effort into improving both their english and their RP. Hope this made some things clear..and of course I hope some people can help us out by trying to RP with us.
' Wrote:I'm not gonna say the name of the war in which a band of so called "peasant" soldiers trounced a European world power, and then went on to humiliate the worlds greatest superpower - but its starts with a "V".
Again, reputation for being Elite counts for nothing, back it up with real force or its all a lot of hot air. Sure liberty is a major house with greater economic power, which the Corsairs don't have - but that doesn't mean Corsairs aren't going to attack and raid targets in liberty... What they are NOT able to do is STAY there....
I'm not saying Corsairs ignore the NPC's in Alaska.. they cant... they get shot by them... but what im saying is that if Liberty is serious about stopping people coming through Alaska to New York then its gonna be up to the Human players to do it - why don't the human players park some ships regularly at the mouth of the minefield? it makes perfect sense to me... protect your secret base with real protection.
Arguing whether Zone 21 and Alaska are secret or not from the point of view of the Corsairs is a waste of time, They know it's there, The Order knows its there, and they are using it. I have done the Alaska run to NY many times, I've done it in my gunboat a few times as well so i can make some money - i have never ONCE ran into a Liberty Force stationed at the mouth of the mine field - ..I would love to jump into NY one time and find a couple of Human Cap ships sitting at the minefield entrance pointing big nasty guns at me and saying "Boy.. you sure are in the wrong place" - There is no room to maneuver in that mine passage....
Sorry, but, your example is actually a really bad one.
The "V" people won on their own ground, and that is the reason why Corsairs still exist.
They are good on their own ground.
But if those "V" people attacked the States on their ground, could you guess the outcome?
Of course you could. So, actually, your example is a good one, but for our view.
Also, people on the other side of Alaska JG aren't important. They can't spread their knowledge in Liberty.
If they try to get in, they get shot.
However, if anyone in New York speaks of such a place, it makes sense to put him under arrest, and if someone tries to discover it on his own, well, it makes sense to blast him into tiny pieces.
Liberty population has maybe heard of it, but they have no idea where it is, or what's there.
That minefield that everyone knows to pass trough is there for a reason.
In RP you would not be able to pass trough it without special maps, and that is a fact.
You would die if you tried to get trough ti without a map.
Same like in Tau-31 and that tiny minefield over there.
That tiny one is actually like 150x times smaller then the one in Zone-21, and you still need a map for it.
Plus, the minefield is under the protection of the Navy.
There is no way in hell that anyone could ever get trough if it's not a House fleet.
Maybe Osiris, because it has a cloaking device (SP Osiris, not a battleship class).
Everyone else, back off.
Lucendez Wrote:
It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
hahahahahahahaha say ALL what you want I dont care and much of the NOOB you call dont care THIS server have Battleship and Cruiser DEAL WHIT IT OR GO PLAY ON OTHER SERVER
,if you dont love my commentary I DONT CARE:D
' Wrote:hahahahahahahaha say ALL what you want I dont care and much of the NOOB you call dont care THIS server have Battleship and Cruiser DEAL WHIT IT OR GO PLAY ON OTHER SERVER
,if you dont love my commentary I DONT CARE:D
Indeed.. buy your battleship and try to enforce law in Zone 21.... LSF will kill you...,SA will kill you.... LR will kill you... HF will kill you... LH will kill you... Corsairs will kill you....
do I need to continue?
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
' Wrote:hahahahahahahaha say ALL what you want I dont care and much of the NOOB you call dont care THIS server have Battleship and Cruiser DEAL WHIT IT OR GO PLAY ON OTHER SERVER
,if you dont love my commentary I DONT CARE:D
Yeah, you already tried enforcing your views on zone 21 and got blown up for your trouble.
Also, that attitude will get you into trouble pretty fast, I'm not a noob, most of the rest of the players I've seen both here on the forums and in-game aren't noobs.
Except for you that is.
You definately are a noob, especially coming up with the [sarcasm]really smart[/sarcasm] idea of trying to police entry into zone 21 just after the liberty lawful factions have decided to crack down on independent capship spam.
Thats about as smart as hunting for a gas leak with a lit match.
So, until you grow up outta the opinion that bigger = better you're going to keep losing to small ships.
You know, if it wasn't OoRP I'd really like the chance to blow your ship up myself. But dragons don't need to go to NY and my phantom char has no need to enter that area at the moment (especially if a lone LF gets swarmed by capships, let alone a gunboat).
So I really, really, really pity the people who have to fly in the same system as you.
And I'm really glad I only have to see you on the forums, though not for long:)I'm adding you to my ignored list.
Around 100% of the people on the forums are against capships spamming. It's horrible and detrimental to RP. If you are procapshipspamming, take yourself to another server.
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On another note, it's good RP sense to pretend that Zone 21 does not exist. It is not, however, a good idea to put the guy under arrest. The LSF can do something else, however.
I have never understood why LSF polices. Here is something they could do: Tell the guy asking where Alaska is to follow him, lead him into some desolate area, and tell the guy in private comms that Alaska does not exist, and essentially threaten him.
"Arresting" or fining persons is not right. While it can bring more people to the forums, a million credit fine for something decently innocent(since nearly everyone knows Z21 and Alaska exist) is a little over the top.
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