So hey, about the recent Zoner drama. Use it much?

[GTB]

If you say a system is yours, but someone else manages to build and maintain 4 Core 4 bases against your will, the system wasn't really yours at all

You're forgetting here that core 4 bases being as tough as they are now with no actual way to bring them down (save for 24/7 guard duty, which I don't think any faction is capable of doing) is a very out-of-roleplay thing. Have you seen the things? They're barely the size of a Cruiser, yet they can tank forty-odd battleships for hours on end*.

I understand the out of roleplay reasoning for bases being as sturdy as they are (and I don't think they should get an easy "throw battleships at them" solution), but it shouldn't be used by a faction in roleplay to act more powerful than they are.

*) The server unfortunately can't, which leads to core 4 effectively being "invincible".

Must admit, even though I'm in favour of POB remaining hard to take down because of all the work that goes into getting them to Core 4 level and maintaining it afterwards. When reading before it takes something daft like 5 to 8 BS one or two weeks to take a Core 4 base down, that's just never going to happen. Who can constantly shoot a base for 1 or 2 weeks solid, and not one person - but a bunch of people having to do it.

So it's obvious Core 4 bases ARE pretty much invinsible because of that. Nobody can spend that amount of time shooting a base 24/7.

[Lythrilux]

If you say a system is yours, but someone else manages to build and maintain 4 Core 4 bases against your will, the system wasn't really yours at all

You're forgetting here that core 4 bases being as tough as they are now with no actual way to bring them down (save for 24/7 guard duty, which I don't think any faction is capable of doing) is a very out-of-roleplay thing. Have you seen the things? They're barely the size of a Cruiser, yet they can tank forty-odd battleships for hours on end*.

I understand the out of roleplay reasoning for bases being as sturdy as they are (and I don't think they should get an easy "throw battleships at them" solution), but it shouldn't be used by a faction in roleplay to act more powerful than they are.

*) The server unfortunately can't, which leads to core 4 effectively being "invincible".

Must admit, even though I'm in favour of POB remaining hard to take down because of all the work that goes into getting them to Core 4 level and maintaining it afterwards. When reading before it takes something daft like 5 to 8 BS one or two weeks to take a Core 4 base down, that's just never going to happen. Who can constantly shoot a base for 1 or 2 weeks solid, and not one person - but a bunch of people having to do it.

So it's obvious Core 4 bases ARE pretty much invinsible because of that. Nobody can spend that amount of time shooting a base 24/7.

How ironic, Discovery RP '24/7'
I agree with you, core 4 bases are Op.
InRP, I'd say ZA have been defeated but in game they only hold onto victory because of the core 4 bases they have.

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[Quiron]

This is however not what I am saying. I'm saying if theoretically GRN| couldn't live up to their duties, they should pass on the torch. If Phoenix or whoever claims ownership of O-74 can't enforce their own rule, they should pass it on to ZA.

Just fyi, nobody owns O-74 neither inRP, nor ooRP.

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[sindroms]

Apparently the ZA do now. If you can do it ingame and you have the manpower to do it, then you should be able to. Just because the skypelancer factions might not like it, well then, taugh shait. RP happens ingame, not on the forums and skype, so if you cannot establish a faction good enough to actually make an impact on the ingame universe, you should not act like you have the power. Simple as that.

My hat is off to the ZA. They came in, got the people they needed, built up a force to rival most of the official factions around that area of Sirius and nobody can do anything about them. Kudos. That is how to deal with the outstanding monotony of official groups circlejerking around and sitting on lours.

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[Anaximander]

Just fyi, nobody owns O-74 neither inRP, nor ooRP.

I thought so, which means Thyr'Zul has even less of a claim when he refers to pre-established roleplay as a reason why ZA shouldn't have them bases. On another note, I like my idea of a tri-lateral O-74 treaty between Order, Corsairs and the majority of the Zoner community even more then, a key system like O-74 needs formal leadership and it would be awesome if Phoenix or someone else got Order and Corsairs aboard for a nice little coup.

Regarding bases, I also think the transport pvp-death ruling is a bit unclear, but maybe that's just me. The other day the same supply transport kept getting killed in Gamma, I'm not sure if the line about being "allowed to leave the system" includes leaving the system with cargo in the hold? Because if that's the case bases are easy to maintain as long as you have a lot of credits.

I also think bases are too strong. Yes they require time and credits, but so does a siege-fleet and honing your PVP-skills. Bases should be killable without having to bring down the server. There should also be rules

Who knows, maybe this ZA ordeal will lead to getting both Zoners and bases fixed

[Zen_Mechanics]

Actually, taking livadia is quite easy, given that you can't even hold a pob one must question inrp how capable you folks are to maintaine livadia. I find it odd that when the za started to show some activity, all the sudden the phoenix popped in like mushrooms, zeta was too boring I guess. But when push comes to shove, official factions bullying none-official factions eventully ends. I wonder what would happen to the perspehone if you tards keep cding zoners and shoot "suspected" "za" - hey I was shot by the two of you while I was fighting a nomad, I'd say thats a clear 5.2 violations isn't it? yet I've never attacked either of you because I ain't so stupid. The good thing is, I have a few friends waiting for those convoys to akabat, It's a pain when people turn against you isn't it? Rather to accept factions who dictate themselves, you choosed to ignore that right and instead dictate your own "needs".
Meanwhile, The order is useless so my only hope is that in 4.87 they will do something useful other than joining in stuff that they have nothing to do with, I expect more wilde and aerelm-infectees to be in newcastle that'll give em something to do.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Omicron]

Congratulations on taking down lvl 1 installations with most of its defenders sleeping or otherwise offline, you should be proud of your achievment young padawan.

Otherwise, carry on spewing useless crap about Order's lore which you have absolutely no idea about (and neither any evidence to support your claims).

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[Zen_Mechanics]

You won't believe me, but I actually I had nothing to do with those bases, but Im just wondering how a man in your position can actually sit there and do this shi* and actually to get away with it.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[Mercarryn]

Actually, taking livadia is quite easy, given that you can't even hold a pob one must question inrp how capable you folks are to maintaine livadia. I find it odd that when the za started to show some activity, all the sudden the phoenix popped in like mushrooms, zeta was too boring I guess. But when push comes to shove, official factions bullying none-official factions eventully ends. I wonder what would happen to the perspehone if you tards keep cding zoners and shoot "suspected" "za" - hey I was shot by the two of you while I was fighting a nomad, I'd say thats a clear 5.2 violations isn't it? yet I've never attacked either of you because I ain't so stupid. The good thing is, I have a few friends waiting for those convoys to akabat, It's a pain when people turn against you isn't it? Rather to accept factions who dictate themselves, you choosed to ignore that right and instead dictate your own "needs".
Meanwhile, The order is useless so my only hope is that in 4.87 they will do something useful other than joining in stuff that they have nothing to do with, I expect more wilde and aerelm-infectees to be in newcastle that'll give em something to do.

If you and the rest of ZA would even bother to log your ZA tagged ships to fight your enemies instead of letting other people do it, I might have considered you a bit serious.
And it wasn't the general activity of ZA, that brought you to this whole stuff, but your stubborn behaviour.
I remember situations where ZA were actually quite okay at the beginning, trying to roleplay with both the order and others. Still that smell of newbie to the Server, but with the potential to improve. The only thing that you still don't want to learn is:
Everything you do inRP has its consequences.

And if that was a 5.2 violation: Hand in a report and let admins decide. Period.

And moreover you should bear one thing in mind which has been said time and again in the past (even before existance of ZA).
The power of unofficial Zoner factions goes only as far as the official factions let them when it comes to taking care of npc bases. This counts for those people who inRP take care of the freeports as every other zoner as well. Example: Freeport 11 and the case of its former administrator Marvin Ophelia. Ask around if you don't know what I mean with that.

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@Spazzy: The only reason why ZA is still alive is because the current player bases on higher levels are hard to kill and the fact that, as I already said, ZA does not log their tagged ships for anything at all, but intead keep on logging alts for their oorp supplies.
If they would have done so on their tagged transports, it would have at least contributed some sort of roleplay for it.
And that is the main thing on this server in case you forgot: Roleplay. Something that the ZA's current ingame behaviour lacks at all.

[Zen_Mechanics]

You are a LOL, phoenix shooting zoners and claims to be the owner of zoner's most important shipyard? Do you even listen to yourself? Bud, disco is about popularity, not justice, and so far Im doing good with justice.
Let me ask you a question, who is much more likely to break traffic, experienced driver or a new driver? Now, what did you say about "newbies"? Mind your own buisness Kishiro man.

Edit : Before hell goes loose, that last routine meant to attack the "osi" rp, ZA rp to OSI rp.. nope, not even on the same planet.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.