Im not being arrorgant, far from it...im meerly defending myself, since they re-started let me make this clear...they have and their skype friends attacked me or said that because i have ZA in the group i should just quit. So lets just say this, once again....i would have worked with them, had i not had to deal with their power playing, stating Vesp as their's. I would have worked had i not seen for my own eye's what type of players they were. I would have tried my best to accomodate them which i have, by doing a complete re-write. I have got rid of their lore on my page, i have tried to work round people's comments, i will not delete my Group just because people dont like it!
I am giving where i can, where is the give from all of you? You cant give because your in the *BLOODY* skype clan.
Make comments on page one not a constant barrage of hate filled trolling!
Now i dont mind comments on the work, i dont mind comments on the rp but dont tell me what or who i should act like. Because your just folls to think im going to keep giving into your click...this has all started and i know from where the hatred you have toward previous ZA members.
I see the same scum doing the same thing here as i read on the ZA page. Just go and help HF work on their manner's i know it will be hard for you and them to do...but im sure you can find a dictionary. But i guess what you want is to flame this thread. So you can say to yourselves, well we got rid of them.
I think you need to go find a life and leave this thread be.
Look my friend, we got nothing oorply against your group, but even then you continue to do more screw ups which makes us don't like you, and after seeing another thing yesterday, we're seriously going to be mad at you folks inRP So please, try to correct those screw ups and refrain from doing them again
what screw ups? what happened yesterday? Im sorry i work all the time, but if its an issue then tell me and i can get it sorted. I'll start a thread for ingame problems if needed to report issues with DW. Beaware we do have 3 members that have only just started playing, im taking them out of DW for the time being. Though they will still have the ships but putting them in freelancer's to get used to typing*laugh*
EDIT:Listen ill see about the base if it makes people happy, though if i set another up...i dont want to find some idiot bombarding it!
(03-30-2014, 01:27 PM)Lucas Stone Wrote: dont tell me what or who i should act like.
Would you also be mad if I tell you to act like HF if you chose HF ID? "Don't tell me what to do" omg, if you keep this attitude, nobody will tell you anything in the end and will shoot you down without letting you know why they shoot you down and what you did wrong, because they will already know what your reaction is to negative feedback, and that it is pointless to give any, because you simply don't listen.
That was the problem with ZA too. Keep repeating their mistakes and you'll end up where they did. Or you can start to listen to the word of others too, not just to Tel, who has a bad reputation of being resistance for the sake of being resistance. People didn't just say you to quit because you had a ZA among yourselves, you've been told to stop because of your and Tel's actions, yet you still keep seeing hatred everywhere. Why?
I've been trying to stay objective in this thread, sometimes a bit more harsh, other times a bit more patient, but if all of this turns out to be flaming and attacks against your group for you, then you are clearly beyond help by now.
(03-30-2014, 01:39 PM)Lucas Stone Wrote: EDIT:Listen ill see about the base if it makes people happy, though if i set another up...i dont want to find some idiot bombarding it!
You better think twice where to put it before you start setting it up. Just an advice, though you should already know this.
On an other note, a separate thread to deal with inRP issues through inRP communication and separating new guys until they learn the basics of roleplay and how stuff work here are good ideas.
(03-30-2014, 12:33 PM)Lucas Stone Wrote: Ok lets see who was there to contact? Please tell me? If any of the current HF claim that i should have contacted them...*laughs*...then bang down they go...because they only reformed afew days ago.
As echo already said, you did not made a decent research, you did not found out about the 'new' unofficial HF faction. And no, they did not just appeared a few days ago. Their faction info is from october, and they have been somewhat active, although not that much. But they have. This is proof that they have RP going: http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=110507
That and they have a report thread and also several comms threads between january and february. That is the exact same thing as ZA did in 74, and the exact same aguments. "This is an empty system, from a dead faction..." Completely ignoring that the Phoenix inhabited the system. And then proceeded to lock down the system building bases right next to the jumpholes. So, you can't be mad at people if they think that this is Omicron 74 all over again. You need to change the attitude towards HF, cooperate with them, instead of challenging them as the ZA did with Phoenix. THEN you will show people that this is not 74 again...
(03-29-2014, 02:32 PM)TheJarl Wrote: Alright I'll be honest. This stuff doesn't like very good, the whole switching factions thing was a weird and bad move. Especially in combination with your rather light-hearted RP, it makes it difficult to take you guys serious.
However, I'm also disgusted by the reaction of the "[HF]". The arrogance radiating from them is ridiculous. The official [HF] died and the unofficial one that followed never really came to life to begin with and now those same people of that failure pop up again to revive something that never lived and was disbanded by me eventually with most of them agreeing with that.
My suggestion: let the DW and the [HF] merge.
I did a re-write so that was changed, i agreed to kill the base or get it moved...i got rid of the Hellfire Lore....i changed our lore to stop power gaming...i listened to those who gave advice that was helpful. I am listening...i just want other's to give a bit...anyway happy flying
There appears to me, as an outsider as I am not involved with any off the Groups, a lot of animosity here.
A few mistakes appear to have been made of both sides of the argument.
The main crux from the antagonists is that:
a) The membership of ZA within this Group.
Some people, within this Community, are very unforgiving and have long memories. Once you are tarnished it will stay with you forever. If you happen to be in the right Groups then they do 'forget your transgressions' whether large or small.
b) That the moved from being Red Hessians to HF in a blink of an eye.
I can see some peoples point InRP with this but yet again some of the antagonists have admitted they really don't care about RP as long as they, personally, are having fun. Some people, within this Community, are Purists and everything within the Game has to exactly right and heaven forbid it should you get anything wrong. (and before I get slated I am not saying either is wrong but that it is out there and so these posts occur)
c) That they made a mistake and assumed, incorrectly, that HF had died.
The Official Faction had died but a few people either are trying to resurrect it again or have kept on playing their HF Characters even though the Faction has a whole has died due to lack of inactivity. This does happen with other ex-Official Factions. It would be grown up if both sides, HF and DW sat and talked to each other (even if with a 3rd Party to act as a Mediator) and see if they can work out the issues and play together in this Game.
I witnesses the other day 3 HF Tagged Ships shooting the DW's Base. This was also after I saw a LN Dread shooting it with the HF just sat there watching. It wasn't until the Dread jumped back into Magellan did the HF follow and initiate an attack on it. (and before the usual 'provide SSs or it didn't happen' brigade come out, why should I lie? It is a Game and I gain nothing out of this post but trying to be fair, so why should I lie?).
d) The building of a Base next to the JH to Magellan (leads people, rightly or wrongly, to jump to conclusions that their intention is what ZA did to O-74).
This could be resolved by an agreement by DW not to build any Weapon Platforms on this Base. Then that problem would no longer be an issue. I am sure if both sides could agree on this it would smooth things out some.
On the Defendant's side.
a) They feel that they are personally being attacked. Having read the posts, even I can see where they get the idea from. Criticism can be constructive or destructive. I won't point out which ones are which as this causes more problems, but those with 'cool heads' can see. If the the Criticism came in from everybody as 'Hey guys I see where you are trying to go with this but that is wrong because a,b.c.d etc and have you thought about this and this.
Instead it comes over as 'Oh! look another idiotic post, can't you guys think for yourselves? Can't wait until the next mistake you make so I can jump on you again! This is a rather destructive criticism as it is not helpful and can be construed as an attack. The surprising thing is that the people who post this kind of reply honestly believe they are giving constructive criticism (maybe I am wrong on this score and they are just trying to get a reaction so they can then say 'hey! I told you how stupid you are as you don't listen to me!)
b) Antagonising/baiting certain members so that they react and jump in before they engage brain and see what it is, in reality.
This allows the people then to jump in and say 'look we told you so' and 'a leopard never changes it spots'.
I would expect better of the Community for 1) doing it and 2) allowing for it to happen.
Conclusion:
Some people in this Community like to crucify those for making mistakes or not fitting in with their ideas.
They all like to give their criticisms. The criticisms are generally palatable if they are constructive but aren't if they are destructive.
They like to give their suggestions but with so many suggestions where do you go? The Devs/Admins, over the years, have tried this and they still get slated for their mistakes.
At the end of the day:
YOU CAN PLEASE SOME OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME BUT NOT ALL THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME.
No matter what you do, somebody will find fault with it.
I find also that some people will only partly read posts and assume they know what is being said. It is Human Nature, really, to read something and not really understand what is being said. This generally leads to a lot of arguments because:
i KNOW YOU BELIEVE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU THINK I WROTE/SAID.
BUT I AM NOT SURE, YOU REALISE THAT WHAT YOU READ/HEARD, ISN'T WHAT I MEANT.
When people have a dislike for others they will interpret what they read/hear, generally, in the least possible light. This happens in all walks of life from the greatest of people to the lesser mortals.
'I would like to be half as clever as some people like to believe they are' Life is full of disappointments, it is how we handle them that helps to define us, as a person
I haven't really been involved in any of the drama or interaction with this group, but I'd throw in a few comments:
1. Don't be overly discouraged by negative reaction to your group. You are here first and foremost to have fun, just make sure you have that fun within scope of the rules.
2. Don't take criticism too personally. Some people here are jerks...just like real life everywhere else. Learn to deal with it. Take the good criticism and try to apply it where it will help, and ignore the hating.
3. Don't build PoBs close to a jump hole, jump gate, or mine field....because that's a douche move.
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