Replying to concerns

[Unseelie]

I'm bothered by the argument that nomads are not interested in humans, while they are flying around NY. as for getting in, the door is ostensibly locked to the corsair legions, so why not you? The way is shut. Telepathy and control of sophisticated computer systems are far different, and claiming a biological entity with no evidence or RP for comp techs control of what must be extremely sophistcated (by today's standards) comp tech, well, I think you underestimate 1000 years of tech advancement. Severely.
Moreover, I contest the intelligence of any weapon. You don't make weapons superintillegint if you are smart enough to make them.

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[Monk]

I think we can agree that forays into New York should be preceded by some RP story or be an event. Going to NY to get some kills when Omicron Delta is boring is not a good reason and I don't doubt that was a reason at least a couple times (we're all human). Playing as Nomads needs to be respected and guarded. Self-limitation must be exercised and all members of the Keepers need to understand their bounds. The Keepers have a lot of potential but the label of PvP whores, that some people seem to have given it, needs to be remedied if it is going to last.

[[RoS]silent_assasin82]

Whats Wrong with Nomads visiting NY on occasion you would think the peolpe there would greet the opertunity to interact with the biggest part of this game. Yes thats right the Nomads. Up until the Keepers were formed they had been forgot about by the players on this server. All the Nomads were good for was killing to get a couple of good guns when you were just starting out. Now they are a full blown factiont that you can interact with.

And yes they do RP we have had full blown hours worth of RP. And we have screen shots of RP with the race. On many occasions.

the problem is when most see one on scanners they go all CODE RED and start blasting.

I think if we lost the Keepers we would lose one of the most Freelancer Based faction on this server. And i think we should all be trying to figure out the best ways to make good use of this oppertunity to RP with them

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[Monk]

The operative part being "on occasion". I believe there was a spat there where it was becoming common occurrence. Simply stated, Nomads aren't a big part of NY. Really, not even a small part. Sometimes and I mean rarely sometimes, they could go in there to achieve some objective other than mass murder..Thats all im trying to get at.

[Treewyrm]

Talks of intelligence are made of assumptions for most of the part, personal opinion rather than the facts. Facts are: from the game scripts we know that the Nomads have moved into the Daam K'Vosh structures inheriting their knowledge and technology. They are species capable of infiltrating humans through subterfuge, not revealing themselves for years, that speaks alone about their intellectual capabilities. Ability to exploit weaknesses in human nature, whole societies using ties for their benefit, masterfully pitting entire houses one against the other.

Because their role in Discovery has been put down to the level of cattle to farm weapons for, because there were no Nomad factions before, nobody to speak for them, to try them, to experiment with their roleplay, because of those factors I believe the intelligence was questioned, but so can be said about any faction that does not have player representatives.

[bluntpencil2001]

Treewyrm makes good points.

I'm not a fan of cast-iron borders, it's unnatural.

Also, I think of Nomads as intelligent too... they're sneaky buggers, them squiddies.

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[Jinx]

they still need a clear reason to go to new york to rape everyone. - the molly fleet had a planned event with all the fleet - and got flamed into hell after it. and they didn t even have to break through an unbreakable jumpgate.

besides, whats so hard to simply go the longer ways to new york. you get RP on your way as you fly. of course, you can aswell - as nomads camp the alaska side - to wait for the liberty fleet to jump over, which they most certainly will do ( if players are online ).

but i think - if we forbit the corsairs to have business in new york. then the nomads are not allowed there, too. both, on a regular base. - events are different. for events, there are less limitations to the ZoI. but for events, there should be teamwork and planning. at least the factions should talk to each other before something happens.

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Shipdesigns made for DiscoveryGC

[Monk]

I don't like building wall either, however, if Nomads are going to raid Liberty, I would think they would be far more interested in hitting Willard Research Station where you have this:

Willard Research Station
operates under the auspices of
the Liberty Navy. Its research
is classified.

Sounds to me like an open invitation to "hey, they do research on Nomads or Nomad tech there, go get em" Fact is, I don't see a strategic benefit for Nomads attacking people in NY unless there is a clear objective there other than, again, mass murder.

[Unseelie]

My point was, there hasn't been any roleplay voicing their comp tech skills. And since its up to roleplay, if there isn't any, and it isn't maintained, it seems a PVPwhoreish move to claim they have it. The complaint, in total, is lack of RP, under the claim that they have no interest in humans. I've not seen any RP from anyone in keepers but you, Treewyrm, now, Perhaps I've missed it, But If I've missed it, there's probably a problem. A faction like this, needs to have a large sum of RP. For this to work, it must be considered solid RP by the majority of the community, and that is clearly lacking.

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[Treewyrm]

I don't like building wall either, however, if Nomads are going to raid Liberty, I would think they would be far more interested in hitting Willard Research Station where you have this:

Sounds to me like an open invitation to "hey, they do research on Nomads or Nomad tech there, go get em" Fact is, I don't see a strategic benefit for Nomads attacking people in NY unless there is a clear objective there other than, again, mass murder.

Well, I'm basically waiting for Brian to come back, a while ago we were talking details of that event, throwing ideas and drafts. Interesting stuff, hopefully it'll get going. How soon I'm not too sure, depends on many factors.

Ironically most ventures into New York were actually chases, as we chased people who were hunting Nomads in Alaska that ran off to New York. Luckily, at times we could intercept them before they leave out the mind field.