(05-25-2014, 03:10 AM)Trogdor Wrote: especially since I see it reflected in both the dev team and the admin team. It is unacceptable and shameful.
To who, you or them?
Considering the joke that Zoners have been for the past, I dunno, 4 years, I hardly think it's shameful to joke about a joke.
But considering you're part of the joke, I can understand why you're so upset about it.
Yeah, because the Zoners are totes the only faction whose lore doesn't match their power. Hurrhurr.
I keep trying to encourage the dev team to fix the lore, but people like you just hate Zoners and will take any and every opportunity to make them, and everyone who wants them to be taken seriously, the butt of a joke. You are trolls. You, Sabre, and Omicron should be removed from this community, with absolutely no chance of returning in the future. Period.
Until this toxic anti-Zoner sentiment is purged from the community, admins, and dev team, the Zoners will never progress as a faction, the way other factions do.
Exactly what progress were you expecting? You have a ship line to die for, just about all of Sirius to trade and the freedom of neutrality in which to do so. Zoners have the least reason to cry and yet you scream the loudest. We are stifling your progress? I think not. In general, it is your poor attitudes that have been your undoing. Despite the fact that we have tried to work with you, protect you from aggressive factions that attack you oorp and voted to protect your OP shipline that houses would die for, you still piss on us.
You want to fix this anti Zoner sentiment? Fix yourself.
(05-25-2014, 10:40 PM)Garrett Jax Wrote: Exactly what progress were you expecting? You have a ship line to die for, just about all of Sirius to trade and the freedom of neutrality in which to do so. Zoners have the least reason to cry and yet you scream the loudest. We are stifling your progress? I think not. In general, it is your poor attitudes that have been your undoing. Despite the fact that we have tried to work with you, protect you from aggressive factions that attack you oorp and voted to protect your OP shipline that houses would die for, you still piss on us.
You want to fix this anti Zoner sentiment? Fix yourself.
Some story progress would be nice. The downside to all of that neutrality is that nothing happens. It may be the Zoner ideal to have no enemies, but actually having no enemies is boring. Great for traders, not so great for protectors.
Furthermore, the Zoner npc faction needs some love. In order for our shipline and other technology to make sense, the Zoners need to be percieved as a unified faction, and not as a loosely affiliated group of communities. And we need an official faction that represents the npc faction, in the same way most other official factions do. We used to have this, but it fell apart after we lost Mal, and ever since that time we've been fighting a near constant war to justify the existence of our tech. Since then, our official factions have mostly tended to their own well-being, and involved themselves very little in the affairs of the whole. This is a problem because it is the whole that justifies what the faction has accomplished.
I don't want to piss on anyone, but it's difficult not to get angry when the faction I love is the butt of so much ridicule. We need to resolve the above issues before the trolling and QQ will finally go away.
You say you voted to protect our shipline? As in, that was the conclusion of the vote? I was unaware of this - I have been sitting here for the last few months waiting for the axe to fall. That is a relief, thank you.
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an internet user who sends inflammatory or provocative messages designed to elicit negative responses or start a flame-war. (As a fisherman trolls for an unsuspecting fish.) : Don't answer those silly messages. Some troll is just looking for an argument.
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a message sent by a troll (sense 2).
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Yes, it is, Sabre. But I am not surprised you would come to his defense.
What he said is rude and disrespectful towards members of this community that play the Zoner faction, and he is certainly not making any effort to abstain from the behavior for which he was warned. And the fact that he is a faction leader means that he should be held to a higher standard.
Just because someone says something that offends someone else, doesn't mean it's trolling.
If that's the case, then literally everyone that ever existed is a troll, which is just silly.
People need to stop being so oversensitive about words.