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[Sath]

It's not that hard to write "OK" to a demand to halt in 12 seconds. It's also not hard to start thrusting around if you see hostile on radar in 12 seconds.

This appears to be a case of revenge sanction as well as over protective staff. Rules should not be used as sword and shield, although it's a bit of hypocritical of me to state this.

Funny that I have waited just 10 seconds to start shooting the silent guys who, even after I said to cut their engines to a full stop, either start cruising or thrust in the direction of a base.

Because, if I had to wait more than 15 seconds, they will just thrust enough to reach the station in most cases, it will be terrible to pirate in the long run.

[Nerva]

I'm pretty sure charging cruise or otherwise fleeing counts as a response even though non-written one. The "refuse to stop" part is also covered by 3.3.

On the other hand, blasting someone, that has already stopped and not doing anything else, in just 12 seconds is not cool. Some people might need more than that to type an actual response. (Not just "OK"; RP server, remember?) I don't know if this is the case here as we don't (and probably won't) have any context.

[KaiserDietz]

I have two set messages which I fire off with a ten second interval, sometimes 20 if they aren't trying to cruise. If they engage cruise, I blast them. If they respond, great, I'll be creative.

Point being, if they aren't willing to invest any RP in the interaction, why should I?

[Thyrzul]

On the other hand, blasting someone, that has already stopped and not doing anything else, in just 12 seconds is not cool. Some people might need more than that to type an actual response. (Not just "OK"; RP server, remember?)

Typing something like "<insert random short name here>: Okay, okay." shouldn't take more than 5 seconds, maybe immediately followed by "<same name>: Wait a second." which is still within the 12 seconds limit, in case the attacker already started to pound your ship you can still tap both regens in less than half a second after your first line of response, typing out your name even being optional. If nothing else, at least the fact that you are being threatened to be blown into tiny bits should be an incentive to respond and do so quickly. You don't need to type out a whole novel for the pirate right at the first second in order not to get blown up, all you need is to stop and respond in a reasonable time showing some willingness to comply.

On the other hand, expecting pirates to wait 30 seconds before blowing you up because common courtesy/fairness/whatever and then using that time to call for backup is not cool either.

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[Nerva]

On the other hand, expecting pirates to wait 30 seconds before blowing you up because common courtesy/fairness/whatever and then using that time to call for backup is not cool either.

Assuming that everyone who types slowly is calling for backup is a bit too far fetched. With that line of thinking you can infer that he's in TS with his buddies and blow him up immediately.

I know some pirates are overly trigger-happy but come on, you can wait 30 seconds or so before collecting your free blue message. Same goes for lawfuls who just caught a smuggler, etc.

[Thyrzul]

Assuming that everyone who types slowly is calling for backup is a bit too far fetched. With that line of thinking you can infer that he's in TS with his buddies and blow him up immediately.

I know some pirates are overly trigger-happy but come on, you can wait 30 seconds or so before collecting your free blue message. Same goes for lawfuls who just caught a smuggler, etc.

Blowing up ppl for assuming they are on TS is what I call far fetched, but still not blowing up people not responding after 10-15 seconds. You can spit out a "Don't shoot." in that amount of time, can't you? (Assuming you are at least half awake.)

Of course you can wait 30 seconds or so before your blue, unless reinforcements are on their way and the trader can just wait out said half minute and begin fleeing once you began shooting it down. It is quite easy for lawful traders to escape, they endure a lot over a long time, who would want to give them and their reinforcements more 30 seconds on top of that?

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[SnakThree]

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[Flash™]

So if the sanction was carried out with clear message that 12 seconds is not enough, I believe community deserves to know what is the line between sufficient and insufficient time in order to prevent the rule violation reports being submitted by griefing or disappointed players.

Or if there will be no answer from admins, this case should be put up to unwritten rules in order to shield people from others who use the rules as a tool of revenge.

Ya, pretty much.

The sanction that happened on the char Lady.Irena, said specifically that 12 seconds wasn't enough, which isn't anywhere in the rules. What I got out of that, is you can report, and if Admins like the player behind the char, nothing will happen. ( Sorry but ya, that's how I see it. Seeing as Titanbot has been sanctioned not once for stupid things like this, yet no one else on the server has been sanctioned for the same ).

Also seeing that he still hasn't gotten evidence, I wonder if there even is any, or did the sanction happen due to guessing and disliking, but that's just my opinion.

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[SnakThree]

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[Highland Laddie]

not hard as a trader to do this beforehand: /setmessage 1 "Wait! Hold your fire! I will comply with your order!"

then type a quick /1 when you actually run into a pirate.

So much for the "not enough time to type a response" excuse.