Expand Hogosha ZoI into Bretonia!

[Echo 7-7]

How would the Hogosha benefit from being able to attack Junkers in Bretonia? While the two factions certainly are hostile, it's not like either side has been attempting to encroach on the other faction's turf recently. Even if the Junkers had been aggressive, the most direct path of retaliation would be to slip into Liberty, rather than cross the war front.

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[SnakThree]

I'd rather see Mollys and Gaians active in Bretonia, than irrelevant party such as Hogosha doing who knows what there. LNS in Bretonia is already proven to be retarded. I doubt Hogosha would be any different.

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[Fluffyball]

-Give Hessian ID a line to pirate in Bretonia to aid their Molly buddies.
-Give Liberty Rogues ID a line to pirate in Bretonia to aid their Molly buddies.
-Give Hellfire Legion ID a line to pirate in Bretonia to aid their Molly buddies.

And then extrapolate the same situation onto other Houses, then maybe we'll end up having Blood Dragons pirating in Omegas too. The logic is retarded.

this isnt about helping allies. its about giving a logical concession to a heavily constrained ID in terms of pirating.

As said before, Bretonia is hostile to hogosha and that's unlikely to change. So it makes sense to allow Hogosha to pirate there.

After all it makes sense, because there is no Kusari Empire to put everyone into their places. But now we have Republic and Hogosha should become more aware about the new power next to them (whose goal is to annex without any deals), assaulting Gallics lies in interest of Gaians, but also in BAF's interest. I believe it would work like it did during WW2 where Corsican Mafia was very opposed towards Third Reich and their presence in Italy.

I believe Hogosha would roam in Taus and Bretonia more freely, because of GRN. While not being ally of Bretonia, they would simply help them indirectly. I mean, Hogosha is protector of Kusari culture, right? They would surely feel an uneasy feeling while Gallia is roaming freely just next to them.

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[SnakThree]

I am sure that Hogosha, since Kusari gave in to Gallia, would not do crap against the GRN to jeopardise independency of Kusari, even if it is Republic and not Empire anymore.

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[xiphos]

Well the hogs are Gaian allies & vice-versa, so there's no reason why they can't FSU within 'Tonia

In the same vein, I don't travel to Kusari often, but when I do, I have no qualms about it whatsoever. As long as I have a reason to be there & an ally to dock with, I'm gonna act like a Gaian within Kusari space...On the same coin, I honestly don't give a flying 'eff what any ID may say...Right now, any & all Hogs, as well as any & all FA are welcome as guests in Bretonia on Gaian stations...& if they choose to take any part in an action against the Bretonian crown with the blessing of their gaian hosts, that is well within their realm of freedom

& vice-versa with the gaians in Kusari. If I choose to travel to Kusari to nix me some Blood Dragons & GC, the only people that have the authority to stop me would be the Hogs & the FA themselves

This. Farmerking loves his weed Gaian friends... About time to visit Bretonia again. Damn, i need more time for Discovery to play....

Bretonia is, however, an opposite mirror to Kusari. Junkers hostile to Kusari, but welcome in Bret - Hogosha hostile to Bret, obvious in kusari. Junkers can pirate in Kusari, so it makes sense to allow Hogosha to pirate in Bretonia.

that's called Balance.

Not only balance. It makes much sense after the Kusari Bretonia war in 4.85. But Hogosha shooting Junkers in Liberty and Rheinland? Not a good idea.

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[Fluffyball]

Not only balance. It makes much sense after the Kusari Bretonia war in 4.85. But Hogosha shooting Junkers in Liberty and Rheinland? Not a good idea.

This would bring chaos. I opt for Bretonia only.

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[Sabru]

Toji, Farmerking is saying that hogosha shooting junkers in liberty and rheinland is full of problems. He's not suggesting anything like what you may think he is.

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[xiphos]

Not only balance. It makes much sense after the Kusari Bretonia war in 4.85. But Hogosha shooting Junkers in Liberty and Rheinland? Not a good idea.

This would bring chaos. I opt for Bretonia only.

Maybe you read it again. Thank you

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[Zen_Mechanics]

Even if Kusari had its old fleet it would still not make any sense for them to go clockwise with gallia. Gallia will crush Kusari, with more ease I might add ( cuz at that time kusari had control of the bw, now it doesn't ). Besides, as a Kusarian I'd like to see bretonia and liberty suffer ( in a fair way I might add, because I think that destroying bretonia and not damaging liberty is ugly and distasteful ). You need to ask a very simple question, who benefits from gallia, the nation thats attacking them - or the nation that do not. Kusari is the next gallia, being able to trade anywhere and everywhere - in the future Kusari would invade liberty with unmatched power, because of it. This ain't just a theory, Kusari is an economic free basing, When you think of doing money, you should think Kusari. My stand is simple, don't put your nose into places where you shouldn't be - When kusari regains might, Then it will be a good time to do bold things. So, if you start helping bretonia under the cover of Kusari - You not only make kusari look guilty, but you pass a death sentence to you and Kusari would rather kill you and your farmers then to protect you, even if you are "quasi lawful" or a citizen.

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[Ryunosuke]

While I agree there should be more Hogosha around, and considering the amount of junkers playing, it would be something great.
However, practising piracy in Bretonia does not make a lot of sense to me, what is the point of that? If you pirate, it is because either you need the cargo for your own faction, or you can sell it for a good price at certain base, or you tax transports. Unless people is suggesting that the cargo Hogosha would be getting from piracy in Bretonia would be then delivered to the Gaians, or the credits would be transferred to them, the only thing Gaians would get from that would be more pressure from Bretonia Lawfuls and bad propaganda. I am not quite aware of the reasons behind Gaians actions, correct me if I am wrong, they do not look like just thiefs and pirates but more like revolutionaries. Hogosha do not act for revolution, they are most related to Mafia than any other faction. They would reflect badly on the Gaians if the last allow them to base on their bases to pirate.

What help could use Hogosha? Maybe better selling points for Kusari goods (if they are not good enough balance wise speaking) in unlawful bases like Gaians, Corsairs, and those not hostile to them. Hogosha upper hands lays on their relation with Corsairs and Kusari coorporations, which is why they started their historical hatred with Junkers.

Now, shootings Junkers all over Sirius does make sense for Hogosha, and backawards, even in House space. Could Hogosha get troubles for that with the House lawfuls? They should not, as the action of few should not reflect on the reputation of the whole faction. And, unfourtanely for the local lawfuls, they should be handled case by case, unless Junkers have more leverage within the governments than I am aware of, maybe that's the case in Bretonia, but shouldn't be in Liberty and Rheinland.