I've flown both the Rogue GB and the Orca, got to say I love my Battle Barge, the Rogue GB seems perfect, it turns slower than my bomber but faster than my cruiser, it has good armour, and nice firing arcs on the guns. It's pretty darn good, balance wise.
Me Orca though is a bout as much use as a chocolate teapot with that forward gun, it's tough enough to hit a base on base kill missions with the damn thing, coupled with the fact that it's merely a class 7 weapon rather than the Class 8 that most forward guns are makes it frankly worthless, can't mount anything of value in the slot either, it's a waste of credits. Other than that the Orca flies well.
That's the limit of my GB experience, not much help I know.
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' Wrote:Liberty GB, despite its numerous turrets for its size isn't all that good, but in reflection to it i would rather make Rheinland GB a bit faster...
Just to list it here all GBs with forward gun compared with liberty one:
Liberty GB
armor: 110 k
guns: 1/7 (6 forward)
turning: 0.6667
agility: much worse than Lib. ... almost no agility ;)
size: about 4x Liberty
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It is much better than any comparable "house" GB. Smaller than all... better turning, though not so agile... and has 1 more turret than all except Bretonian "GB".
Dropping one turret is much easier than upping all other GBs don't you think?
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
' Wrote:I don't really know if this is to be considered ballenced or not. They get spammed so much they must be quite good. Maybe nerf it cos I'm sick of seeing so many of them.
Hey, lets nerf it because it has 8 guns and is popular, despite the fact that the consensus is that it isn't overpowered! Why not?
/sarcasm.
Barring the BHG gunship, and the Kusari gunboat, there isn't a GB out there which is seriously under or overpowered. The Kusari gunboat dies so fast to any kind of powerful explosive, its not funny. I wouldn't be surprised if a single lucky nova torpedo insta-killed the thing. The BHG gunship, which I intend never to fly until it becomes balanced, appears to still be in the same situation it was in in 4.83. Faster, smaller and not sacrificing significant damage output values. One had to be skilled to beat this in a Corsair gunboat, and better than skilled to defeat it in something which had the same 6 guns, but larger size.
' Wrote:Megiddo, you can't have the same power supply for a ship 3x larger then the other one.
It doesn't make sense. Variety is good, I'd say.
Orca, since it's big, could keep the 500k supply.
But no way for BHG gunship to stay the same.
It's by far the best GB in game.
I'm not so sure about the basis of your argument here. The gunship's hull is lighter than any other gunboat and the cargo space is somewhat small. So it could be argued that the gunship sacrifices hull and cargo space for a similiar sized power plant shared by the other gunboat models. And the gunship has no hull-busting front gun. I have a battlerazor on mine. It's workable, but it's no hull-buster of great renown.
As for GBs being "swiss army knives" - good news, I say. I don't care much for the idea of flying fighters in this mod and the larger capships are cumbersome and thoroughly nerfified. GBs can handle most anti-fighter encounters and some other GBs. And larger capships in numbers (or pairs).
I have a sneaking suspicion, that many of the people voting to nerf GBs, prefer their fighters over any capship. And flying fighters is a demonstration of "superior rp". Thus "adjusting" GBs is in their interests. Just a hunch.
I admit, that my view on GBs is very subjective. I love flying my gunship, which is neither indestructible nor omnipotent.
the BH gunship is small and agile,but low armor. so when you destroy shield on that thing you can win in corsair gb really easy.
oabout corsair gb, i think that ship is balanced, it has 8 gun, that is more as others that is true,but it is bigger target, corsair gb was projected as anticap gb. (ask some bh how they feel in their destroyer cruisers and battlecruisers) but on the other side i have bigger problems in that big thing with fighter+bobmer, or 2 fighters as again cruiser.
other thing are weapons. bh gunship armed with 6 solaris turrets,is ideal fighter/bomber killer, and that is for what was that ship designed or no?
only other gb that i was trying was the rogue, for me it was smaller as corsair gb(and it is smaller) and more agile . i was in fight with 3 fighters and i was able to dodge their hits and destroy 2 of them,then i meet catamaran bomber with inferno+supernova and i was able to avoid his supernova, we was in fight 15-20 minutes and then he escaped.then i try the dragon gb and it was bad choice. big,slow,5 guns+forward. i think rogue was better.
' Wrote:I'm not so sure about the basis of your argument here. The gunship's hull is lighter than any other gunboat and the cargo space is somewhat small. So it could be argued that the gunship sacrifices hull and cargo space for a similiar sized power plant shared by the other gunboat models. And the gunship has no hull-busting front gun. I have a battlerazor on mine. It's workable, but it's no hull-buster of great renown.
As for GBs being "swiss army knives" - good news, I say. I don't care much for the idea of flying fighters in this mod and the larger capships are cumbersome and thoroughly nerfified. GBs can handle most anti-fighter encounters and some other GBs. And larger capships in numbers (or pairs).
I have a sneaking suspicion, that many of the people voting to nerf GBs, prefer their fighters over any capship. And flying fighters is a demonstration of "superior rp". Thus "adjusting" GBs is in their interests. Just a hunch.
I admit, that my view on GBs is very subjective. I love flying my gunship, which is neither indestructible nor omnipotent.
BHG gunship is a bit over powered with same power, shields and turret number and insane agility compared to other GBs...
That ship desperately needs proper hit box too, since current one is not very good....
BHG gunship would do just great with 4 turrets....
@mjolnir...i didn't say that it isn't a bit too strong for its size and turret number (liberty BG)...i only said it isn't UBER like people tend to think...i said that i agree with you and your idea of it losing one of its turrets is all else would stay the same
I have a lot of experiance fighting as a gb pilot and agianst them.
I usually fly a rogue gb. Here is my experiances:
1 rogue gb vs. Bret destroyer, poorly piloted. Beat him bad.
1 rgb and a pair of fighters vs. 2 bhg gs: beat um bad
1 rgb with anti cap loadout vs. corsair gb: got creamed by the superior firepower.
2 corsiar gbs. vs OC destroyer with cap six armour: OC dessie
got creamed
3 LH Scimis and a LH sabre vs. 2 BHG gS: totally owned them.
my RHA rhienland Bomber vs. corsair gb: won hands down at best, a draw at worst.
My conclusion: Mjonir is right, but the LH that see the BHG gS have Light fighters, which if they have the fire support of even one HF they can kick tail. The corsair GB is usefull agiasnt caps, but agianst fighters and bombers it sucks. The rogue gb and the LH GS need more Manueverability. In 4.83, it depended on the pilot who won in fights between the corsair gb and the rogue gb. The speed of one vs the firepower and hull of the other. Now, the corsair gb wins every time. The IMG gb is very powerfull due to its shape, but I think its ballenced, I just see too many of them.
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@Doom.. yeah I though you meant that.. was just checking... it's not uber but it's better.. so it can lose one turret
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Well if we are to go to "what I did with what GB"
Then me in my 4th pvp in a GB... in the balanced BHG gunship that Meggido so loves....
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Fought at once: 2 Falcatas (Silent and Juan) + 2 Sabres (Oso + one more) + 1 Corsair GB (junker)
Killed all except Silent in one Falcata (he fled badly damaged)..... I also had almost half nanobots left.
In my 2nd pvp in it:
Fought: Frozen in his Catamaran + a Barghest at the same time..... won without using any nanobots.
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doesn't look like something you do in a balanced ship.
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.
One way to counteract the lousy firing arc of the Orca is to be constantly strafing up. That way you're always firing a little bit down, plus you're harder to hit.
My experience in the BHG GS is being useless against cruisers and up - even with cerbs, being decent against fighters and pretty good against bombers if you can dodge their infernos. The armoring on the GS is so low that once you're out of bats you need to run or you're pretty much doomed to die. The firepower is a bit too low on it to be useful against anything larger than a medium-sized gunboat.
' Wrote:My experience in the BHG GS is being useless against cruisers and up - even with cerbs, being decent against fighters and pretty good against bombers if you can dodge their infernos. The armoring on the GS is so low that once you're out of bats you need to run or you're pretty much doomed to die. The firepower is a bit too low on it to be useful against anything larger than a medium-sized gunboat.
Hmm.. I have cap 8 on mine... *hides*
Low firepower? It has same 6 turret places and same powersupply as all other GBs.
Igiss says: Martin, you give them a finger, they bite off your arm.