(03-01-2015, 06:57 PM)Mr. Altejago Wrote: You guys are acting as if this is something new.
Please, go on with your angry posts of toy throwing because you don't like how this free server is run.
I won't mind at all if you took your fun else where. Neither would a lot of other people.
All accurate points, and at the end of the day more players will agree with the admins than those that don't. The ones that don't agree will generally find new places to go
And I have to ask OP, how would a vote of no confidence work when we, the players, don't own/operate the server.
Omi does bring up a lot of good points, and as it has already been said confidence in the decisions happening upstairs I will also admit sadly from my own perspective is quite low.
But there is an increasing more dangerous trend beneath this which is the us vs them mentality, i mean just look at some of the opposing comments in here, these are from people normally on the other side of omi's guns ingame. People forming cliques, putting up walls made of negative opinions of opposing groups which means that only negativity gets circulated within. when people hear so much information about a group whether its good or bad, people inside the group will eat up any chance to have more food to feed their suspicions on. If a lie gets told so many times over and over it doesnt matter whether it was a lie or not to begin with people have believed it and are willing to base their entire attitudes from a foundation, that is litterally non-existant.
the most dangerous clique of all is the admin one, they might be nice people, friendly etc, but they are not immune from horde mentality, we often get told that all the admins weigh in on a decision before any action is taken, but what does that matter if there is no difference in oppinion because they have surrounded themelves in the opinion they most want to believe which just happens to be in most cases the wrong opinion, and so will make the wrong decision.
this stems from admins not being able to separate their in-game interests from there administration duties. admins caught up in the walls of factions they hold dear will hear only negative things about the other side. the other side might have persons whom have done questionable things in the past, the more their clique repeat these names and throwing around accusations the more likely it is this admin is about to make a very poory judged decision based only on the hearsay of the clique in which they reside.
what else makes me sad is that there doesnt seem to be any individuality in the admin team, (a problem i touched on above) I wouldnt be able to name an admin i thought would be willing to openly state to their peers that a decision being taken is wrong. it seems to be completely hive minded, which for something its good and thats what you need, but not for everything and certainly not for punishing sombody. I believe it is because of this that certain players consistently get targeted and are hammered continuously much harder than any else would ever be just because their name has been mentioned by their clique many times over.
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(03-01-2015, 06:56 PM)Garrett Jax Wrote: I believe the Staff does the best they can, with the best of intentions. We make mistakes. I make mistakes.
I believe the issue at hand here is that mistakes seem far more common than they were in the past. I'm not pointing fingers. I frankly haven't really been playing the game actively enough to make my own judgement in particular cases anyways.
There's certainly a pattern of posts being made by the administration team that were quickly altered as people pointed out (often glaring) mistakes. At the very least you could say that many matters, be they sanctions or rule adjustments/additions, are seemingly rushed out the door a lot recently.
Hastily implementing new rules can lead to confusion. See: base tax (I'm still not sure if you're allowed to tax a base or not, these days). In addition, the Pirate ID change - which I believe was a good change - also went through revisions more rapidly than I.. spam Dota 2 matches.
I would say sanctions being rushed is a far bigger issue, however. A sanction like the [HF] one - as Omi stated seemingly based on word-of-mouth rather than actual evidence - greatly reduces the faith I - and undoubtedly many others - have left in the admin team.
I sorta wrote this without proofreading it. If it makes any sense, that's a bonus.
Oh and the usual disclaimer: blahblah I have opinions and am a dev but this has nothing to do with development so I am speaking as a player yadda yadda.
People, stop with "he did this and he did that" mutual accusation throwing. Keep the thread civil and constructive.
Speaking as private person now, sure mistakes happen, but the way they sometimes are criticized is even worse than the mistake itself. I also feel like Omi's at least tad exaggerating in the OP, I don't see things being that bad.
One thing I would like to see is more structured sanction notices. The current ones contain a lot of un-needed text which can agitate the sanctioned player more. I think it would be beneficial for all if there was a clearly layed out report for all to understand completely.
For example:
Name of Sanctioned Player:
Rule Broken:
Admin Notes: (This part should clearly describe the situation without any of the riddly nonsense and jokey malarkey)
Punishment:
Useful Links for the offender:
I dunno, could probably be improved a tonne (by an Admin who deals with the sanctions?).
(03-01-2015, 07:08 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: And I have to ask OP, how would a vote of no confidence work when we, the players, don't own/operate the server.
And of course the thread descends into flames
The point is that there is nowhere to bring your complaints. Hypothetically, assume for a second that this place was run by an administration team that was entirely incompetent, biased, corrupt, and that generally did the absolute worst job it possibly could.
This is hypothetical, mind, before people read this far into the post and immediately start quoting me out of context.
Assuming the above was true, where do we go to complain? Are we meant to sit down and accept that even if this place was utterly broken from the top down, we should really have no other choice other than to 'deal with it?' I don't find that acceptable. And, really, that's the crux of almost all my issues. There is nowhere to turn to, because the administrators have no obligation to listen to the community any more.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more right you are and the more unhappy it makes me. There is no way to make any theoretical 'vote of no confidence' work - unless the administrators were to hold themselves up and allow it to happen.
Admins and mods used to be elected by the community, rather than being raised by the existing staff members. In fact, more than a few of the admins around today were voted in in that manner, 'way back then'.
I wonder how many of those would pass their vote a second time if it were held tomorrow? Food for thought.
one day you will catch those teamspeak group admins
one day you will know that those guys are the worst thing happened to this server
i hope you catch them before more people are lost from this very good server
good luck
as for the teamspeak squad ,,,, Good work , you think that this is gaming when you do that ? one day you will grow and know how much disgusting your actions were.... good luck till that time
You just keep loosing players and people loosing intersts in playing here
its a shame ... because this server deserve more good than that ...
enjoy destroying the congress players one by one
and enjoy creating a new story everytime
enjoy the sickness because once you get healed , you will prolly miss it
since chatting to you is useless , then this is my last reply here
I'd like to make a formal request to the moderation team that Xenon be disallowed from making any further posts in here, as his posts are inflammatory, off-topic, and not constructive in the slightest. Your thread, your rules. We'll apply this to every such posts. ~Narc
Guys, if I can play in my normal manner without much problems and without getting banned or sanctioned ever since my return, I am pretty darn sure so can you.
It is not hard.
Anyway, if anything, just do like me and steer away from anything related to POBs by default. There is no easier way to get caught on the admin radar than POBs.
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Thanks for bringing this topic up, Omi. I'm amazed you were willing to forgo the pink to show a point like this.
I think one of the biggest problems we have with [A]dmins, besides the lack of transparency, is simply policing their behavior. Let me quote something from the Community Rules.
Community Rules Wrote:-- Administrators are obliged:
To develop and safeguard the health of the Discovery Freelancer community, official server, and forums.
To be fair and treat all players equally, independent of their level and faction alignment.
Not to mix server roleplaying with server administration in any way.
Not to ignore any cases of server rules violations that are reported.
Well, that's good and all, but what do we do if they don't? I personally know of at least two [A]dmins who've repeatedly ignored the "Not to mix server roleplaying with server administration in any way" rule. One was extremely heavy handed in an attempt to do so with me personally some time ago. Unfortunately, I felt it unwise to put in a rule violation report on it simply because I didn't believe it would be looked upon fairly. I still don't. And were I to bring it to open light, it would be shut down immediately as a "trial by forum" issue. Well, duh. What other forum do we have to bring out our grievances with, at least against the [A]dmins, if not a forum discussion?
Frankly, the fear that you might be removed for pointing out failure and the hypocrisy of the [A]dmins speaks volumes. And before you whine, "it's free!" and "they're not paid!", go reread the rules about what the [A]dmins obliged themselves to be before they were given this responsibility.