House Law enforcement

[Laura C.]

They can log after the fact, but they need to be present for the actual act of extortion for them to be able to get involved. If they log after demand has been stated, you can just bluff and say "hello officer I am just looking at this nice kruger ship" and he can say whatever he wants to the law, the law can't act upon it because they didn't witness the attempted piracy. So all you need to do is cease and desist when law shows up, then resume when law leaves. Big deal.

If only it were that easy. Indie officer with cloak reaches 9k distance and decloaks and then takes screens of the shields/hull of the pirated vessel. Then the offending vessel cannot give any more excuses.

using a cloak to get close enough to uncloak and quickly take screens seems like an attempt to see how far you could push the new/altered rules without breaking them.

seems like it would be a **** move in my opinion.

You need to screenshot talking while uncloaked to have evidence about law infractions. Also, your shield will be down, showing you just uncloaked (and if HUD is edited out, I guess such evidence won´t count). What you screened without talking is fight of two sides which can claim "he started it!" but you don´t have any valid evidence about who really did it.

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On a ragebreak. Or ragequit. Time will tell.

[SpaceTime]

using a cloak to get close enough to uncloak and quickly take screens seems like an attempt to see how far you could push the new/altered rules without breaking them.

seems like it would be a **** move in my opinion.

Oh yes it is. But if it is allowed by the rules, then it is fair game. That's why rules need to be as clear and straightforward as possible.

[Garrett Jax]

Seems good to me. Thank you.

One thing isn't clear to me, though. Do POBs in House controlled independent systems still pay taxes and can be besieged if they refuse to?

The POB would have to lie within a House's ZOI and be within a House Controlled system to be levied with a tax.

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[Laura C.]

It looks good, but I'm confused as to the status of Omega-7 and 11. Apparently they're outer omegas, despite lawfuls having bases and massive economic interests in those systems.

Omega-11 is not really controlled by lawfuls though, they only maintain a tenuous grip on it while all kinds of unlawfuls pretty much overrun it. Omega-7 does have strong Rheinland interests, but I guess this was done so that corporate warfare in the system can really take hold.

Listing O-7 as Outer Regional Space instead of House Controlled Space will never stop to bother me (just to clarify - I´m not asking to list O-7 as Sovereign House Space, so the corporate warfare could happen anyway when law enforcers are not looking). And actually it is not the lose of control over POBs there itself (despite it makes no sense inRP). What bothers me is the unequality. Rheinland somehow can´t regulate POBs in system where RM battleship is parked, two corp bases are there (and one neutral party base - IMG), while for some reason which no one could explain me suficiently other houses can still regulate POBs in systems which are on same or even lower level inRP. Such as Liberty can still regulate POBs in Alberta (LN battleship, two corp bases, one neutral party base which belongs to Zoner - so really, where do you see difference, and Alberta even doesn´t have trade lanes) or Hudson (LN battleship, one corp planet). Kusari can continue regulate POBs in Nagano (one corp planet, one neutral party base - OSC) and Rishiri (one corp base and that´s all...). Bretonia stull governs POBs in Dublin (one BAF battleship, one corp base, one neutral party base - IMG).

So really, it´s not lose of right to regulate POBs in Omega-7 what makes me (and some others) dissatisfied. It is more question of principle and equality.

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On a ragebreak. Or ragequit. Time will tell.

[Stoner_Steve]

It is more question of principle and equality.

Doesn't the ruleset say "only if they are personally there to witness the legal infraction while uncloaked and equipped with a House Military, Police, or Intelligence faction ID."

RFP and RM are still free to enter O-7 and enforce their will

e: the more I think about it, besides being unable to enforce laws on PoB's within O-7 did RFP or RM really lose anything with this latest set of changes

[Laura C.]

It is more question of principle and equality.

Doesn't the ruleset say "only if they are personally there to witness the legal infraction while uncloaked and equipped with a House Military, Police, or Intelligence faction ID."

RFP and RM are still free to enter O-7 and enforce their will

e: the more I think about it, besides being unable to enforce laws on PoB's within O-7 did RFP or RM really lose anything with this latest set of changes

But that´s my point. Why is Rheinland unable to regulate POBs in his major economy area while other houses are still able to do that in remote systems like Hudson, Alberta, Rishiri or Nagano?

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On a ragebreak. Or ragequit. Time will tell.

[Lord Caedus]

It is more question of principle and equality.

Doesn't the ruleset say "only if they are personally there to witness the legal infraction while uncloaked and equipped with a House Military, Police, or Intelligence faction ID."

RFP and RM are still free to enter O-7 and enforce their will

e: the more I think about it, besides being unable to enforce laws on PoB's within O-7 did RFP or RM really lose anything with this latest set of changes

But that´s my point. Why is Rheinland unable to regulate POBs in his major economy area while other houses are still able to do that in remote systems like Hudson, Alberta, Rishiri or Nagano?

While there's a bit of debate to why they can't regulate POBs in Omega-7, Hudson is not in any way a remote system.

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[Thunderer]

Seems good to me. Thank you.

One thing isn't clear to me, though. Do POBs in House controlled independent systems still pay taxes and can be besieged if they refuse to?

The POB would have to lie within a House's ZOI and be within a House Controlled system to be levied with a tax.

Alright, thank you.

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[Sturmwind]

Forgot to say: I endorse the new changes. More in-game RP + pew pew, less forum drama.

[Stoner_Steve]

But that´s my point. Why is Rheinland unable to regulate POBs in his major economy area while other houses are still able to do that in remote systems like Hudson, Alberta, Rishiri or Nagano?

Because Rheinland didn't have any claim on the system until shortly after 820 A.S. when the Schwerin was first moved into the system, if Rhineland wants to consolidate their hold on the system perhaps they need to do something beyond simply moving a battleship into the system and saying "mine"