Gas Miners Guild:
Add IC as allies
Remove Zoner from allies
Comment: There was never an alliance with the Zoners. The partnership with Interspace Commerce however, is well-documented.
I think I read somewhere zoners bought H-Fuel from GMG and resell it to people that would not be able to buy it directly from GMG (due to diplomacy, lack of transport ship, travel distance, etc.). This could make sense for the Order that was supplied by zoners.
Regarding the alliance between GMG and zoners, there are some RP examples:
* when Kusari government made an embargo on GMG, the Zoner Trading Consortium (ZTC) broke it to bring supplies to GMG base in Honshu (and there was also a boycott of Samura bases if I remember well)
* when corsairs attacked ZTC in the omicron systems, GMG was there to bring assistance.
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(06-24-2015, 01:57 PM)moebus Wrote: Gas Miners Guild:
Add IC as allies
Remove Zoner from allies
Comment: There was never an alliance with the Zoners. The partnership with Interspace Commerce however, is well-documented.
I think I read somewhere zoners bought H-Fuel from GMG and resell it to people that would not be able to buy it directly from GMG (due to diplomacy, lack of transport ship, travel distance, etc.). This could make sense for the Order that was supplied by zoners.
Regarding the alliance between GMG and zoners, there are some RP examples:
* when Kusari government made an embargo on GMG, the Zoner Trading Consortium (ZTC) broke it to bring supplies to GMG base in Honshu (and there was also a boycott of Samura bases if I remember well)
* when corsairs attacked ZTC in the omicron systems, GMG was there to bring assistance.
So, basically, what you're saying is anyone the GMG sells their primary commodity to should be an ally? Wow. GMG's gonna have a pretty long infocard.
The GMG/Zoner alliance has never made much sense, and there's no justification for it that's ever been written into infocards or really properly RPed by player factions. The only way you'd ever know they were allied is by reading the F9 status infocard, which is weird as hell.
So far as I know, it's a relic from Discovery's earliest days, when the Zoners were given a wide range of import caps, and the GMG a number of import snubs. They were allied because both were seen as widely 'neutral', which back in those days meant pretty much anyone could use the tech freely.
These days the whole relationship is just a bit... wat. Nix it.
(06-24-2015, 01:23 AM)SpaceTime Wrote: Gateway: Remove Hogosha from enemies Comment: Must be a leftover of the Bret-Kusari war.
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I must inform that as a consequence of the Bret-Kusari war, the Hogosha still remain hostile to all lawful Bretonian factions, and vice versa to the Bretonians towards the Hogosha. I don't know if the infocards state the "unfriendly" factions, but since the Hogosha is unfriendly/hostile, and not part of the more broad "house criminals", perhaps it should stay discriminated as a specific enemy?
While Gateway and Bowex have made their efforts to return to friendly status with Samura/Kishiro, and normalize their status (somewhat) with Kusari, no steps were taken by either side of the Gateway/Hogosha matter.
(I for one act as if) the Hogosha still believe that the Bretonians should stay out of the Taus, and preferably not staying in Kusari for longer than a day.
(06-24-2015, 02:24 PM)WPeregrine Wrote: I must inform that as a consequence of the Bret-Kusari war, the Hogosha still remain hostile to all lawful Bretonian factions, and vice versa to the Bretonians towards the Hogosha. I don't know if the infocards state the "unfriendly" factions, but since the Hogosha is unfriendly/hostile, and not part of the more broad "house criminals", perhaps it should stay discriminated as a specific enemy?
While Gateway and Bowex have made their efforts to return to friendly status with Samura/Kishiro, and normalize their status (somewhat) with Kusari, no steps were taken by either side of the Gateway/Hogosha matter.
(I for one act as if) the Hogosha still believe that the Bretonians should stay out of the Taus, and preferably not staying in Kusari for longer than a day.
Hogosha is outlawed in Bretonia, indeed. But the Bretonian corps considering that they made much larger steps towards establishing trade again with each House (something that both entities badly needed) are far more neutral-ish with each other's Houses legal entities. [adding Hogosha as enemies to BAF/BPA]
And no, the infocards only state the clear enemies of a faction. For example a Samura is not listed as GMG's enemy or Bowex as Gateway's despite the frequent shooting that takes place.
(06-24-2015, 02:51 PM)SpaceTime Wrote: And no, the infocards only state the clear enemies of a faction. For example a Samura is not listed as GMG's enemy or Bowex as Gateway's despite the frequent shooting that takes place.
If that is the standard, then I agree that the Hogosha can be omitted from the Gateway card. They would be as unfriendly as any other pirating faction can be to anyone, but having no contention point to be labeled as persistent hostiles.
I do agree however that Unioners should be added to enemies and The Order to allies.
As an addition I'd suggest adding Corsairs to our enemies.
edit: also I'm sure about listing Bundschuh as enemies to Outcast infocard. While it is true that there is no love between bundies and casts, the outcasts generally just don't visit Rheinland. Encounters between the two are not common enough to have it explicitly listed imo.
edit 2: Oh and I suggest adding the Hellfire Legion to the Liberty Navy's enemies. Seeing as being the Navy's enemy is pretty much the summary of what HF is.
(06-24-2015, 03:48 PM)TheJarl Wrote: First of all you listed Bundschuh twice
I do agree however that Unioners should be added to enemies and The Order to allies.
As an addition I'd suggest adding Corsairs to our enemies.
edit: also I'm sure about listing Bundschuh as enemies to Outcast infocard. While it is true that there is no love between bundies and casts, the outcasts generally just don't visit Rheinland. Encounters between the two are not common enough to have it explicitly listed imo.
edit 2: Oh and I suggest adding the Hellfire Legion to the Liberty Navy's enemies. Seeing as being the Navy's enemy is pretty much the summary of what HF is.
My bad, it is fixed now Regarding the Outcasts, you do have common ZoI in the Sigmas.
(06-24-2015, 01:23 AM)SpaceTime Wrote: Colonial Republic: Add Liberty Rogues and Lane Hackers as enemies Remove Zoners and GMG from allies Rename them into Crayter Republic. Comment: Considering their new home, that is one of their regional enemies. Zoners and GMG were never so strong allies of the Republic in order to have a special place there.
Gallic corporations: Add Bretonian and Libertonian Lawfuls as enemies. Comment: Established since Day 1.
CR are still allies with both the Zoners (see: Baffin, plus general good relations with FP6 and FP10) and the GMG (despite their distance, we maintain our friendship).
Additionally, while the Gallic Metal Service is a Gallic Corporation, they do not see Liberty nor Bretonia as enemies and they work covertly to aid the Council, where possible. If the LN/BAF feel they should list them as enemies on their IDs, that's their prerogative
(06-24-2015, 10:04 PM)Teerin Wrote: CR are still allies with both the Zoners (see: Baffin, plus general good relations with FP6 and FP10) and the GMG (despite their distance, we maintain our friendship).
Additionally, while the Gallic Metal Service is a Gallic Corporation, they do not see Liberty nor Bretonia as enemies and they work covertly to aid the Council, where possible. If the LN/BAF feel they should list them as enemies on their IDs, that's their prerogative
Adding back Zoners. Are you sure about GMG? Friendship is one thing, being allied is another.