(02-12-2016, 07:54 PM)Genexus Wrote: We have rules here that disallow ANY present or effective religious or political reference simple as it.
SCRA.
Also, I couldn't find the one about the religious reference, maybe you can give me a link to it...
1.1 Use of abusive, vulgar, obscene, political, or racist materials
As I said it's not about religions overall, but about society respective and political influencive ones. Do you deny the Islam or Christians have this at present times?
(02-12-2016, 08:07 PM)Genexus Wrote: Rheinland and Kusari are parts of Vanilla,
I was refering to Discovery's Kusari and Rheinland. The Vanillia ones are Tokugawa Bakufu period mixed up with 1930s pre-Nationalist Japan, and Rheinland being... I'm not even sure what is Rheinland to be in the first place, Empire of Germany mixed up with post-Cold War FRG?
Quote:Line 6218: 01/02/2016 20:35:35 Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam->LI06: sorry I'm a refugee
Are you seriously taking things said in Connecticut out of context to prove a point?
[01.02.2016 20:35:13] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: someone give me 1 mil
[01.02.2016 20:35:17] Warin.Grant: Get all intimate around 'ere
[01.02.2016 20:35:18] Red.Violet: Nein.
[01.02.2016 20:35:20] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: I wanna buy a turret
[01.02.2016 20:35:23] .:j:.OxyAcetylene: go away begger
[01.02.2016 20:35:23] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: : (
[01.02.2016 20:35:32] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: sorry I'm a refugee
[01.02.2016 20:35:32] Red.Violet: KILL DAT BEGGAR!
Quote:Line 9797: 04/02/2016 18:38:11 Osama.Abdulrashid->ST08: I ain't have idea how I get here, I'm a honest merchant
Line 9802: 04/02/2016 18:38:24 Osama.Abdulrashid->ST08: Want to buy a mobilephone?
Line 9993: 04/02/2016 18:45:28 Osama.Abdulrashid->ST07: I'm very really sorry, I can't read very well, hehe.
No idea when or where this happened as I seem to have been absent. But I for some reason think it might have been an "offensive" conversation like this:
[01.02.2016 21:10:21] CND|ZDS-Lanzarote: Logen: A Rheinland pilot here?
[01.02.2016 21:10:30] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: Your sensors must be off.
[01.02.2016 21:10:37] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: I hail from Bretonia.
[01.02.2016 21:10:56] CONSOLE: Possible cheating detected: Meltus
[01.02.2016 21:11:14] 2016-02-01 21:11:18 SMT Traffic control alert: Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam has requested to dock
[01.02.2016 21:11:15] CND|ZDS-Lanzarote: Logen: Your transponder says, Military
[01.02.2016 21:11:55] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: Get it fixed then.
[01.02.2016 21:12:06] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: I'm a freelancer Bretonian merchant, flying a Percheron.
[01.02.2016 21:12:08] Death: Siegfried175 was put out of action by a hostile vessel.
[01.02.2016 21:12:15] If you find your ship in Bastille please check the Sanction sub-forum on Discoverygc.com.
[01.02.2016 21:12:28] Destroyer.Kathmandu: ?: Nope. You are piloting a wraith, Jaffar. Dont play us for fools.
[01.02.2016 21:12:35] CND|ZDS-Lanzarote: Logen: Liar
[01.02.2016 21:12:41] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: No idea what you're talking about.
[01.02.2016 21:13:01] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: Besides, "Jaffar" is not my name. I'm Sir Gregor Stalvern, from Leeds.
[01.02.2016 21:13:06] 2016-02-01 21:13:09 SMT Traffic control alert: Fuji has requested to dock
[01.02.2016 21:13:09] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: Get your sensors fixed.
[01.02.2016 21:13:34] CND|ZDS-Lanzarote: Logen: Such a bad liar.
Yeah, so we're MND Agents flying in the Omicrons. If obviously bluffing in roleplay instead of saying "yeah well I'm an synth MND Agent sent here to spy on you" is a sanctionable activity, it makes no sense for intelligence factions to exist.
Quote:Line 10576: 04/02/2016 19:08:41 Osama.Abdulrashid->ST04: I told him there were men called Osama in Rheinland since the ancient times
Line 10588: 04/02/2016 19:09:00 Osama.Abdulrashid->ST04: Even before the sleeper ships launched
What is that supposed to prove?
Full conversation:
[04.02.2016 19:07:25] Osama.Abdulrashid: This is Rheinland territory!
[04.02.2016 19:07:47] Markus,Prescott: No it's not.
[04.02.2016 19:07:48] Osama.Abdulrashid: Kamerad
[04.02.2016 19:07:49] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: What does this Bounty Hunter want?
[04.02.2016 19:07:57] Osama.Abdulrashid: This fool says we're not from Rheinland
[04.02.2016 19:07:58] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: What do you want, Guilder?
[04.02.2016 19:08:01] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: Huh?
[04.02.2016 19:08:05] Markus,Prescott: Learn to read my identification.
[04.02.2016 19:08:08] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: How dare you insult my homeland?
[04.02.2016 19:08:23] Markus,Prescott: Considering I am from the vaterland itself, I won't insult it.
[04.02.2016 19:08:31] Order|CV-Sanity: We are inbound on your location, Lamda.
[04.02.2016 19:08:33] Osama.Abdulrashid: I told him there were men called Osama in Rheinland since the ancient times
[04.02.2016 19:08:33] Lambda: Greetings, gantleman.
[04.02.2016 19:08:52] Osama.Abdulrashid: Even before the sleeper ships launched
[04.02.2016 19:08:57] Order|CV-Sanity: Evening, gentlemen.
[04.02.2016 19:09:02] Markus,Prescott: I think you didn't read your history books well enough.
[04.02.2016 19:09:22] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: I don't think our purpose here is to prove our heritage, Kamerad.
Quote:Line 10614: 04/02/2016 19:10:07 Osama.Abdulrashid->ST04: Never heard of such thing "holocaust"
Now this is really, REALLY badly taken out of context.
[04.02.2016 19:09:38] Markus,Prescott: History says that in 2089, all muslim and arabic presence was eradicated from Europe, this incident was called-
[04.02.2016 19:09:39] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: Didn't really require any management, actually.
[04.02.2016 19:09:42] Markus,Prescott: "The Muslim Holocaust"
[04.02.2016 19:09:49] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: Huh?
[04.02.2016 19:09:54] Markus,Prescott: And then history continued on.
[04.02.2016 19:09:56] Jaffar.Abdul.bin.Salam: Your history is wrong, dude.
[04.02.2016 19:09:59] Osama.Abdulrashid: Never heard of such thing "holocaust"
And after this, you say OUR roleplay is wrong?
Quote:Line 10727: 04/02/2016 19:14:08 Osama.Abdulrashid->ST04: Probably beheaded who knows
Yes, this was provocative. It was said to provoke the hostile into attacking us. It was said in a roleplay scenario referring to a roleplay scenario, intending to provoke a roleplay response.
I see many cases when people insult each other with roleplay statements and provocations, many of them are very, very offensive, even more offensive than swear words. Yet, these are allowed on the server, so you can't say we were in a red zone here.
[04.02.2016 19:13:16] Order|CV-Sanity: You would do good if you just left, MND.
[04.02.2016 19:13:24] Osama.Abdulrashid: I did
[04.02.2016 19:13:24] Order|CV-Sanity: Before this is getting anymore serious.
[04.02.2016 19:13:33] Osama.Abdulrashid: Then one of the arses disrupted me
[04.02.2016 19:13:40] Osama.Abdulrashid: And shot me
[04.02.2016 19:13:40] Nitsuj: *The deception of the matrix of your own inner world has you rattled into believing what you see is all there is.....*
[04.02.2016 19:13:46] Order|CV-Sanity: Then press on...before I decide otherwise.
[04.02.2016 19:13:49] Osama.Abdulrashid: I shot back
[04.02.2016 19:13:51] Nitsuj: *And that includes....us...the Mindshare....*
[04.02.2016 19:13:54] Osama.Abdulrashid: He died painfully.
[04.02.2016 19:14:00] Osama.Abdulrashid: Probably beheaded who knows
[04.02.2016 19:14:10] Nitsuj: ***Telepathic Click Noise***
[04.02.2016 19:14:19] Order|CV-Sanity: Don't try to provoke me. I gave you a choice.
As for the Takbirs and Jihads:
1) I gave several instances proving that the term is not offensive and was not meant to be offensive in our use.
2) We stopped using them immediately after we were warned.
Quote:Im not sure if you think that we are exceptionally stupid to not see the intention behind these characters and the 'roleplay' you attempt to do with them, or if you are really that much of an intelligence-challenged kind of person to believe what you post here.
And you say, WE are the ones being offensive? This is unjustified and plain rude. We might have a difference in opinion but I didn't call you intelligence-challenged and you shouldn't call me that either.
Just because our opinions differ, it doesn't mean I am deliberately trying to cause harm or I could accuse you with the same.
Quote:You have been warned to stop after your funny report a week ago, you went on.
No, we didn't.
When asked to stop saying the Takbir, we did.
When asked to stop the roleplay altogether and rename the ships, we did.
We complied with everything you asked so far.
Quote:You have been warned again and you just dont get where the issue is, while trying to play the 'Im being treated unfairly, even though Im a really nice guy' card.
I don't even know remotely understand why you said this. Yes, I was warned. We stopped. I thought me and the admins I talked to understood my point, which they did not, so I put it here, so that:
1) All the admins can actually hear my opinion on the whole thing.
2) I can hear the opinion of all the admins on the whole thing.
I said I disagreed with how you handled the issues. Is it not why the admin thead exists?
Quote:Considering that this kind of behaviour can be considered as law violating in some countries, you can expect the consequences to follow as soon as we discussed them.
No, it's not law violating anywhere on the Western hemisphere.
Disrupting the freedom of speech is, though. And I really don't want to get into this "law violation" thing.
What I'm saying here is because there is an issue, there is a debate to be had about it (an admin even recommended me to put this debate onto the forums), and there is an admin feedback threat which is to debate these issues.
I have a right to voice an opinion and you have a right to disagree. I also have a right to disagree with you.
We complied with everything the admins told us to do, without having anyone to lift a finger, even though it was a disagreement, not a rule violation.
Now our conflict here is again, a disagreement. Are you SERIOUSLY backing up your point with threatening to use your admin powers? Are you SERIOUSLY going to punish us because we disagree with you? Now, that would be power abuse indeed.
I think the administration team (and especially you, Jansen) is more mature and open to the opinion of senior, returning members than to do that. If you keep banning people off because they disagree in a polite manner, you won't have anything left but 4 people roleplaying in an NFZ.
I trust that even if we disagree and won't get to a point of mutual understanding, we will treat each other with mutual respect as adult men.
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As for present day politics: the entire game is based on that, so this rule is pretty much open to interpretation.
Heck, don't you even have the slightest understanding? Don't you think it might be a little disrespectful and abusive running into yelling "allahu akbar" in an international community, while exactly such term, was phrased by the media within the attacks in Paris some time ago?
Double heck, me as a German still won't ever say "I'm a proud a german." or like a couple americans still do, running through the streets or sitting in front of a wrestling match and scream "USA, USA,...".
Some things are seriously out of place.
Let's end this topic. Abusive content or content that could understand to be abusive doesn't have a place here.
Friend, we're talking about a 1400 years old phrase. For the last time: Just because some idiots uses it, it won't be disrespectful, nor abusive. Following this logic, we could also ban anything what <insert radical/politicial/religious group here> used.
(02-12-2016, 09:11 PM)Genexus Wrote: me as a German still won't ever say "I'm a proud a german."
I have my opinion on that but it's really not for here.
(02-12-2016, 09:11 PM)Genexus Wrote: Abusive content or content that could understand to be abusive doesn't have a place here.
Define abusive in the 21st century, where people find everything abusive and get offended at almost anything. (I recommend the last season of South Park) Just watch the internet, certain people see certain crosses and numbers everywhere, religious objects they find offensive etc etc... Seriously, grow up from this "I find everything offensive" state of mind.
(02-12-2016, 09:20 PM)Landers Wrote: Friend, we're talking about a 1400 years old phrase. For the last time: Just because some idiots uses it, it won't be disrespectful, nor abusive. Following this logic, we could also ban anything what <insert radical/politicial/religious group here> used.
(02-12-2016, 09:11 PM)Genexus Wrote: me as a German still won't ever say "I'm a proud a german."
I have my opinion on that but it's really not for here.
(02-12-2016, 09:11 PM)Genexus Wrote: Abusive content or content that could understand to be abusive doesn't have a place here.
Define abusive in the 21st century, where people find everything abusive and get offended at almost anything. (I recommend the last season of South Park)
Ok...simple scenario. You were one of the visitors of Bataclan, seeing a mass got shot down right after someone yelled allahu akbar. Wouldn't you feel a little uncomfy or abused if someone do it here?
Even I'm not related at all to it I feel abused somehow.
South Park is South Park, everyone knows that anything there is only a caricature to a specific topic.
It's not about, there is anyone, anywhere, who gets abused by anything.
Anyway....this is not a discussion thread...it is a feedback thread. The sanction mentioned in the formerly feedback of Sturmwind is justified. If he have any further comments or concerns about it, he should post it into the sanction thead.
Sorry admins, that I have continued this discussion in here. Going out of it now. !!!
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