(02-17-2016, 10:13 AM)St.Denis Wrote: The Admins will, eventually, vote on it and a decision will be given.
Beyond putting in a request, is there any way to influence how the vote will go?
I suppose if enough people, without using their Alts, voted on this subject then the Admins would look at what the Community suggests and go from there.
'I would like to be half as clever as some people like to believe they are' Life is full of disappointments, it is how we handle them that helps to define us, as a person
Personally, I agree with @Malmsteen completely. This is my experience with core 1 bases.
I built my first base over a period of a week, keeping in mind I was with only 1 friend, stocking it up to the brim with the requirements of upgrading to Core 2. I did put in a request as per the rules and links in the forum for the upgrade, and what do you know, 2 days later the base was attacked and killed by a group of Outcast Bs's and Nomad Bs's, WHILE I was of line. Not everybody can be online permanently to play cop or keep an eye out.
Now, this is what went through my mind when I logged in and found the base destroyed: " Why, after a week did they blew the base all of a sudden? It was well hidden. So why after I applied for the upgrade did someone only noticed the base? Was that info given to someone?? I will never know, cause I still, after a how many months, did not get any feedback from the admins"
That was the first base.
Then I build a second one, keeping in mind to leave it at core 1 for as long as possible, with in 10 k's from another well known POB, and what do you know, not 3 days did it last!!
So, I build a THIRD one, found a sweet spot, very far from anything and or any traffic, and it was going good, hell, I had hope for this base. I think 2 months it was going, and guess what, the bloody system got deleted with one of the patches.
Now, I know I can or could have applied for the base to be re integrated in the game, but after a few weeks of search, i couldn't find a place. So i left it there.
Me being someone that need to keep busy in the game, i decided it would be easier to build another base rather that trying to get the old one back, for you see, the forums is, for me, very confusing. So i build a new one, well, it did go well for about 5 days before it was discovered.
And funny enough, only when i'm offline.
I left Disco for about 2 months, not that anyone would have noticed, to try out some other games, But i must say, Disco gives me some sort of satisfaction that i don't get from other games.
I can only vote that Admin will re-think their stance towards Core 1 bases.
And that's one of my stories.
Thank you for reading, the frustration level has gone down.
It´s hard to make things balanced. I mean there are cases of blatant lolkilling core 1 bases, that´s for sure. In some situation RP should be mandatory maybe even for core 1 bases, for example when attacker is not in direct hostile relationship with owners of the base by IFF (see the example of Corsair ship shooting Zoner base without any communication, that´s just wrong). Though I would not see it as problem when there is direct hostile relationship (lets say Hessians killing base with RM IFF). However there would be need to force all bases to have IFF directly from the beginning.
On the other hand there are cases when bases are made without any RP. No info thread, no contact with locals, nothing. In such case I´m not sure RP should be mandatory. Requirements should be same for both sides.
Possible idea - rules can be reworked the way that if the base owners contacted some locals (lawfuls in case of house space, major local power which claims ownership of system in case of non-house space) prior construction, created base info thread and base has IFF from the beginning, then RP would mandatory before attacking regardless of the core. In case of silently build bases without any RP and info, silent killing would stay allowed.
Though as others said - requirement of forum RP won´t save the base when it will be made ten seconds before start of the siege.
(02-17-2016, 02:46 PM)Laura C. Wrote: On the other hand there are cases when bases are made without any RP. No info thread, no contact with locals, nothing. In such case I´m not sure RP should be mandatory. Requirements should be same for both sides.
As Laura says, in the past when base rules were much looser, non-RP troll bases were built and brought to core 4 during quiet server times in very inconvenient places (which drove most of the community stark raving mad) fairly often. After much 'emotional discussion' in the community, we gained what are the current POB rules regarding both destroying of and building/upgrading of bases Core 2 and above.
the Core 1 clause, as you could call it, is the way it is because absolutely no RP is required to build a base in the first place. The way it is does unfortunately give lolindies and trolls means to knockdown any core 1 they find, but free building of bases does need to have a counter to equalize.
To the OP (and supporters), i would suggest this:
Equality must be met for any change to be fair. If you want RP required even to attack Core 1 bases, then RP should also be required (and proven) involving one of the local factions before construction is begun in order to gain that RP requirement protection. If you chose to forego doing RP before building the base, then you would not be eligible for the attack RP requirement.
@Admins: What do you think of the above bolded idea?
(02-17-2016, 03:22 PM)Sabru Wrote: Equality must be met for any change to be fair. If you want RP required even to attack Core 1 bases, then RP should also be required (and proven) involving one of the local factions before construction is begun in order to gain that RP requirement protection. If you chose to forego doing RP before building the base, then you would not be eligible for the attack RP requirement.
(02-17-2016, 04:41 PM)Findarato Veneanar Wrote: You need a lot of rp, and time, to make a high core pob, but only lolrp and a few hours total to kill one.
Mmm, funny you all say that you don't need RP to build a core 1 base, so, every time I applied to the specific Lawful of a specific house space, or the local power who claims ownership of a specific space, and the communication up to their approval, is not RP and totally unnecessary?
Wish I knew it then, maybe I would not have gotten so angry every time my base got killed....
This tells me that it is a waste of time to follow the "legal" way when it comes to base construction.
(02-17-2016, 05:36 PM)Wiljan Wrote: Mmm, funny you all say that you don't need RP to build a core 1 base, so, every time I applied to the specific Lawful of a specific house space, or the local power who claims ownership of a specific space, and the communication up to their approval, is not RP and totally unnecessary?
Wish I knew it then, maybe I would not have gotten so angry every time my base got killed....
This tells me that it is a waste of time to follow the "legal" way when it comes to base construction.
You didn´t understand it right. Yes, the communication is not mandatory, you don´t have to do it by server rules. However, if you don´t do it, house lawfuls or local power will be the first who will attack your base because it would be considered illegal (what usually means it is destroyed upon discovery). So if you want to prevent this from happening, you contact them prior to construction and they will not be hostile to your base thanks to this way of doing things.
This communication is completely valid RP, nobody said otherwise. But some bases are constructed without this RP, actually without any RP on forums or even ingame at all.