(03-16-2016, 11:45 PM)Toris Wrote: This will be taken into consideration in future encounters, since I agree those are a very valid point here. My intention, to calm you down Reid, was not no 'look edgy' as you depicted it. Your idea of being anti-social outcast is a valid one and I will surely use it as a main motiff.
My edgy point wasn't necessarily a dig at Kimki, but players as a whole. Somebody linked me to another furry character's writeup (Dunno if it was you or not since it was on what looked like an RP alt) where the character was Edgy McDoNotSteal. And it's something I've noticed not only with furries, but a lot of people's characters as a whole. Especially unlawfuls
(03-17-2016, 12:16 AM)Reid Wrote: My edgy point wasn't necessarily a dig at Kimki, but players as a whole. Somebody linked me to another furry character's writeup (Dunno if it was you or not since it was on what looked like an RP alt) where the character was Edgy McDoNotSteal. And it's something I've noticed not only with furries, but a lot of people's characters as a whole. Especially unlawfuls
Point taken. None of my characters was created for purpose of trolling. Mind if I get the write-up in PM, since I'm very interested right now?
Can we stop justifying that? Please? I really don't mind exotic RP personalities, but could we just stop trying to be different for the sake of being different? What is so hard about playing a human character in a universe populated by humans? I won't take a jump at you for RPing a furry in, lets say, Star Wars, but this is not Star Wars. Nothing, literally nothing in Freelancer lore suggests that other species than nomads and humans exist in Sirius. It's absolutely unecessary to bring another new thing to the fray. Do you remember how everyone complained about Gallia, it being too big, poorly implemented, underrepresented? Why not play a Gallic character for something exotic, instead of a furry?
What is so hard in adapting to the rules and guidelines set by a community instead of trying to powergame your way around them? Because that's exactly what this is. You're not only powergaming your origin ("Oh lol, some experiments went wrong, and for some reason Human/Fox or Human/Wolf or whatever hybrids were the result, who for some reason managed to escape and build up an existence, buy a starship, guns etc etc...") but also enforcing your RP on others, who, in many cases, do not want to RP with furries because it breaks their immersion, like most examples of PG do. You want to RP a furry? Fine, go to a furry RP community. Or one that has furries in its lore. There's a lot of them, this is the internet after all.
Fun ends where you ruin the fun of others. That applies to trolling, harassing, hunting people down for the sake of blueing them repeatedly, but also for intentionally ingnoring the complaints about your blatant disregard for the immersion of other players.
(03-17-2016, 02:14 AM)Char Aznable Wrote: What is so hard in adapting to the rules and guidelines set by a community instead of trying to powergame your way around them? Because that's exactly what this is. You're not only powergaming your origin ("Oh lol, some experiments went wrong, and for some reason Human/Fox or Human/Wolf or whatever hybrids were the result, who for some reason managed to escape and build up an existence, buy a starship, guns etc etc...") but also enforcing your RP on others, who, in many cases, do not want to RP with furries because it breaks their immersion, like most examples of PG do. You want to RP a furry? Fine, go to a furry RP community. Or one that has furries in its lore. There's a lot of them, this is the internet after all.
Fun ends where you ruin the fun of others. That applies to trolling, harassing, hunting people down for the sake of blueing them repeatedly, but also for intentionally ingnoring the complaints about your blatant disregard for the immersion of other players.
Every point you bring up can be said against the Nomads, with the only good defense for Nomads being in the game is "They were in vanilla"
I dunno which is more harmful to a roleplay environment, Half human/animal hybrids who (somewhat) act like normal people, or omnipotent aliens who can turn you into a living zombie, have a hivemind, communicate telepathically, and survive in the vacuum of space. Hard decision to make.
(03-17-2016, 02:14 AM)Char Aznable Wrote: What is so hard in adapting to the rules and guidelines set by a community instead of trying to powergame your way around them? Because that's exactly what this is. You're not only powergaming your origin ("Oh lol, some experiments went wrong, and for some reason Human/Fox or Human/Wolf or whatever hybrids were the result, who for some reason managed to escape and build up an existence, buy a starship, guns etc etc...") but also enforcing your RP on others, who, in many cases, do not want to RP with furries because it breaks their immersion, like most examples of PG do. You want to RP a furry? Fine, go to a furry RP community. Or one that has furries in its lore. There's a lot of them, this is the internet after all.
Fun ends where you ruin the fun of others. That applies to trolling, harassing, hunting people down for the sake of blueing them repeatedly, but also for intentionally ingnoring the complaints about your blatant disregard for the immersion of other players.
Every point you bring up can be said against the Nomads, with the only good defense for Nomads being in the game is "They were in vanilla"
I dunno which is more harmful to a roleplay environment, Half human/animal hybrids who (somewhat) act like normal people, or omnipotent aliens who can turn you into a living zombie, have a hivemind, communicate telepathically, and survive in the vacuum of space. Hard decision to make.
Yes, that can be said about nomads, and as you may know, I am an outspoken enemy of nomads being RPed by members of the community. But nomads, other than furries, were exactly that: In vanilla. They're part of FL lore. Furries are not. I'm not talking about harmfulness to the RP environment in general, I am talking about immersion here - and while nomads are pretty powergamey and annoying, granted, they're at least part of established Freelancer lore. They have, furthermore, been incorporated into the mod ages ago. Furries have not. There's the difference.
A lot of things here break my immersion. Furries are pretty low on my list. Mind control sits above it, as does the absurd economic, political and/or military situation of every single major economic entity in Sirius, the incredibly strong presence of unlawful elements of all kinds, the fact that about 50% of characters are orphans or have suffered some other kind of serious tragedy during their formative years... need I go on?
As for the points on nomads, the abilities that they have in disco have no basis in vanilla for existence. Nomads only communicate with humans through other humans as far as I can see in the vanilla story, and the telepathy is limited to an intra-species ability with no elaboration in the base game as to how exactly it functions. An awful lot of nomad lore is a (pretty reasonable) extension of what a likely scenario might be, with regards to giving players in nomad ships a route to communicate with other players in human ships in a unique, fun and, for me, entirely unintelligible way.
You're free to ignore things that disrupt your immersion entirely if that's your thing. If I don't like something, that's precisely what I do. But, why cant you understand that not everybody interprets things the same as you do, and that these people are by no means subject to your views? Ignore them, fine, but don't ostracise them. If they want to play space furries, let them. Your fun is not more or less important than anybody else's fun; they're not playing in a particular way because they hate you and want to troll you off the server.
There's much more direct ways of doing that.
And what's more harmful is a point of view, nothing more. Your opinion, my opinion, no matter how strongly held, is just an opinion.
To be honest, such discussion is pointless until there is some kind of ruling about it from on high. Personally, I think the prospect of that is remote.
I can understand that not everyone thinks like I do. Did I somewhere in my post say that every other opinion is false? I am merely talking my own (and the opinion of some others that already have talked about this multiple times) immersion here. And no, I am not supposed to "ignore" such RP - it just should not be here.
You also brought up an interesting point. The lore here is a continuation of the nomad lore from vanilla. We're playing a mod after all. Nomads are part of it. Furries are not. That's a fact.
You're furthermore comparing apples and oranges. Yes, there's a lot of issues with discovery's economy, but those should be discussed in a different thread. What is so bad about discussing an issue when there are others? Are you saying that just because there are problems on different fronts, discussing problems that seem to spark lengthy discussions like these here should not be done? That's a bad argument and you know it.
They're playing in this particular way despite community outcries against it, I can link you to the latest that I know about. It resulted in a probation for the respective "furry" because he did not cope with the community's reaction well and started flinging insults. While this is only half-related, you also have to understand that those people are powergaming their way into existence, forcing their RP on others. And frankly, yes, I am free to ignore such things, but that does not change the fact that if they send me a transmission, a big humanoid wolf looks me in the eye. Sure, I could now find explanations (digital avatars, fursuits, you name it) but I shouldn't have to. The person clearly wants to RP a furry, and nothing else - that much is clear - and resorts to powergaming to do so. While my fun is most certainly not more important than his, powergaming and enforcing RP on others is, in fact, against the rules.
I am also not ostracising anyone. I am merely asking the people that refuse to accept the community's guidelines to finally accept them.
I am saying that there are many issues that affect my immersion. For me, these issues are more serious than furries. For you, maybe not, but they're certainly not that different to me. They break my immersion. As far as Im concerned, they're not apples and oranges, because they have the same effect at different levels of intensity. One of the many reasons I left for a while is because events in the mod and my experience of it became so farfetched and ludicrous that I could no longer stomach watching other people successfully justify complete insanity.
Sounds pretty familliar, since your view is that furry RP is complete insanity in this game context. Yet it wasn't stopped then for me, why should it be stopped now for you?
And as we're being pedantic about what those issues are, especially with an attempt to discredit my view that there are plenty of immersion-breaking issues with this mod, then your "facts" are not quite right. Furries are in the game. They have been since the vanilla release, and they're still in exactly the same place in the game as in 2003.
I am, of course, referring to Planet Primus.
An easter egg? Sure. Unfortunately it doesn't say so ingame, so it's not canon whether they are or aren't. So, you've got a planet full of talking Apes a-la Planet of the Apes, and right next to it you have a planet full of talking robots.
As for the presence of furries being powergaming, if you categorise a particular character's existence as powergaming because it breaks your immersion and shouldn't exist, then I'm not sure what isn't powergaming in your view. It seems to me like you're dropping words because you know people dislike them, without a clear understanding of what they mean. Okay, so they want to roleplay a furry and nothing else. Jeremy Hunter wants to roleplay a 13 year old Order admiral (or was that Tenacity? I don't know), and I have an SRP legacy character with superpowers. I don't think anybody is innocent of some immersion breaking roleplay.
We all play here because we want to, and we want to for different reasons. Telling some people that their reasons are wrong is not great, because that's incredibly hard to justify.
To be honest, I feel like at this point I should state that I am also generally against furry RP as a concept, although I have had experience with a character who was a shapeshifter and was oftentimes represented in his roleplay as a wolf. Is shapeshifting immersion-breaking too? Where exactly do you draw the line? At concepts which have no existence in vanilla lore? There's an awful lot of characters that have no basis for existence in vanilla, furries are probably only a small minority.
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