WE DID IT REDDIT!!!

[Lythrilux]

So irregardless of VIDEO evidence that shows the official Core fleet attacking the Freeport that mentions it's over a pack of smokes, the fact that an indie reported it makes it irellevant. Good to know...

And as explained the lead up to that involved Zoner/Order ships attacking Yaren (which was, unfortunately, not recorded). And I'm not saying that because an indie reported it's irrelevant, in fact that is the opinion you are supporting. Do people really expect Core to just put on a blindfold and pretend infractions such as that didn't happen because "lol there was no tag"? That's quit a mindless notion, especially in regards to the concept of roleplay.

IRG at that point weren't official as well.

unoffical factions are indies? no

Unofficial factions are ind(i)ependent.

You wouldn't even get 90% of this drama if instead of blaming me for everything bad that has ever happened to you and the horse you rode on, you would simply state that "Core fabricates/claims/believes Zoner attack" instead of "Zoners really did it" for some actual gray area and dubious morality.

But carry on, this thread is actually amusing.

I don't blame you for everything bad that's ever happened to me, but seemingly whenever you try to get involved things turn sour. I'm trying to provide a factual account of the events, and from our perspective Yaren (among other things) was attacked. The Core wouldn't just attack FP11 without reason.

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[Alley]

why does it matter they're official or not?

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Alley was right.

[Jack_Henderson]

I'm trying to provide a factual account of the events, and from our perspective Yaren (among other things) was attacked.

Just that your factual account is wrong and everybody who actually was there can tell you (and did tell you).
The Yaren attack happened afterwards. I have the logs, the DSAce timstamps can prove it.
But you are not interested in truth and facts.
You want to hear what you want to be true.

The Core wouldn't just attack FP11 without reason.

They did however. Because a Zoner was telling Core| caps to respect CoF laws. And then that Zoner was roasted by Cruiser Razors by Jayce. The pack of Cigarettes was not the real conflict, the real conflict started about 30 minutes earlier. The logs are in the ingame reports.

So... stop twisting what happened.

You are free to write your history form the Core angle, and portray Zoners as aggressors.
The facts are different.

So depending on whether you write your "lore" as an irp statement (which can be as wrong as you want), or oorp truth, you either have to accept what really happened, or mark it clearly as "irp Core version".

[nOmnomnOm]

Do people really expect Core to just put on a blindfold and pretend infractions such as that didn't happen because "lol there was no tag"? That's quit a mindless notion, especially in regards to the concept of roleplay.

So do you take indies seriously or not?
You just stated that indies control Freeports and you were waving it off.

Unofficial factions are ind(i)ependent.

literally the first time i have heard anyone say that.

I'm trying to provide a factual account of the events

You should take into account what other people have to say about your 'factual accounts of events'
for example: Timeline

[Vibrant Songs]

http://imgur.com/a/XaxNe
http://imgur.com/YwAEQVc

[01.05.2016 16:44:32] Jane.Shepard: "Believe me, i have more then enough reasons to despise the Core now."
[01.05.2016 16:44:35] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: Begone.
[01.05.2016 16:44:39] Paladin's.Wake: Diana: I can't imagine being comfortable on such a large ship.
[01.05.2016 16:44:41] Core|AV-Schwartzvelt: What did you just say?
[01.05.2016 16:44:49] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: Don't approach the system.
[01.05.2016 16:44:57] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: You'll only endanger yourself and I.
[01.05.2016 16:45:08] Core|AV-Schwartzvelt: Insulting a Core pilot on patrol is against the law, Ms. Shepard
[01.05.2016 16:45:26] Jane.Shepard: "I dont care about your opinion. You broke me more then enough already."
[01.05.2016 16:45:37] Core|AV-Schwartzvelt: Oh you don't know do you?
[01.05.2016 16:45:40] Jane.Shepard: "Besides, Freeport 11 isnt Core space."
[01.05.2016 16:45:43] Paladin's.Wake: Diana: Nobody cares about your laws, pilot. It's Delta. There are no laws here.
[01.05.2016 16:45:45] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: Hmmm.
[01.05.2016 16:45:53] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: *shivers erratically*
[01.05.2016 16:45:58] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: I wonder.
[01.05.2016 16:46:07] Core|AV-Schwartzvelt: Our space encompasses the entirety of Omicron Delta.
[01.05.2016 16:46:14] Jane.Shepard: "Let me guess.."
[01.05.2016 16:46:19] Core|AV-Schwartzvelt: I will return to deal with you promptly.
[01.05.2016 16:46:20] Jane.Shepard: "Blablabla Coreport 11 blablabla?"
[01.05.2016 16:46:25] Paladin's.Wake: Diana: Nobody cares about your definition of "your" space, either. Beyond yourselves.
[01.05.2016 16:46:36] Core|AV-Schwartzvelt: The ones who set the definition are those with power.
[01.05.2016 16:46:36] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: Shepard.
[01.05.2016 16:46:38] Core|AV-Schwartzvelt: We have power.
[01.05.2016 16:46:43] Core|AV-Schwartzvelt: And we set the law.
[01.05.2016 16:46:50] Core|AV-Schwartzvelt: You do not have power.
[01.05.2016 16:46:55] The.Cincinnati: ?: You've wasted enough power here.
[01.05.2016 16:46:57] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: Ignore them.
[01.05.2016 16:46:57] Core|AV-Schwartzvelt: And therefore your pleas are beneath us.
[01.05.2016 16:47:01] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: I must query you.
[01.05.2016 16:47:02] Jane.Shepard: "You get harmless people executed. You are nothing but crawling insects for someone who's head is way in the air."
[01.05.2016 16:47:27] Jane.Shepard: "Pissant insects."
[01.05.2016 16:47:28] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: What is your purpose now, Shepard?
[01.05.2016 16:47:48] Paladin's.Wake: Diana: They really are insufferable. No tears would be shed if they were removed from the Omicrons.
[01.05.2016 16:47:59] Jane.Shepard: "Im here to keep the Freeport safe, and to fight the true enemy of humanity."
[01.05.2016 16:48:05] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: Aha~
[01.05.2016 16:48:18] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: *their right arm shakes, she grabs it immediately, ceasingi t*
[01.05.2016 16:48:29] Jane.Shepard: "The reason im not with the Order is because they tend to forget the true enemy aswell."
[01.05.2016 16:48:32] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: *forcefully folds her arms* And how do you plan to fight them?
[01.05.2016 16:48:54] Jane.Shepard: "Good question."
[01.05.2016 16:49:01] Jane.Shepard: "I am figuring it out."
[01.05.2016 16:49:19] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: *their head shudders slightly*
[01.05.2016 16:49:27] Jane.Shepard: "Are you alright?"
[01.05.2016 16:49:30] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: Here's an even better question.
[01.05.2016 16:49:36] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: How do you think /they/ fight them?
[01.05.2016 16:49:55] Jane.Shepard: "They? They use guns."
[01.05.2016 16:50:02] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: No, I am not okay, I am a byproduct of two races merged into one. It's going to do that.
[01.05.2016 16:50:10] Jane.Shepard: "Two races?"
[01.05.2016 16:50:10] COLONIA: Stop it Rose
[01.05.2016 16:50:26] WV-Scipio: Metzker: Open fire now Core opens fire first here
[01.05.2016 16:50:32] Paladin's.Wake: Diana: Is that so? I've heard plenty of claims of eccentrics out here.
[01.05.2016 16:50:51] Jane.Shepard: "Now what the hell.."
[01.05.2016 16:50:57] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: *she turns around, revealing a neural cord attached to their neck, and jumps around again, hiding it again*
[01.05.2016 16:50:57] Jane.Shepard: "You pissant insects!"
[01.05.2016 16:51:05] The.Cincinnati: ?: It appears that Zoner is under attack.
[01.05.2016 16:51:06] Paladin's.Wake: Diana: Okay, that's quite enough.
[01.05.2016 16:51:08] Jane.Shepard: "Leave that ship alone!"
[01.05.2016 16:51:16] =[ASF]=ANS-Prowler: Rockford: Hm...
[01.05.2016 16:51:18] Jane.Shepard: "You truly are pathetic."
[01.05.2016 16:51:26] Jane.Shepard: "Assisting the Colony ship!"
[01.05.2016 16:52:02] =[ASF]=ANS-Prowler: Rockford: *Watches*
[01.05.2016 16:52:03] 2016-05-01 14:52:04 SMT Traffic control alert: A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith has requested to dock
[01.05.2016 16:52:14] COLONIA: I shall return Core
[01.05.2016 16:52:38] WV-Scipio: Metzker: Opening fire on the Gunboat
[01.05.2016 16:54:20] COLONIA: Busso: Core shall never dock again free on Freeport
[01.05.2016 16:54:33] Jane.Shepard: "This is all going straight to the confederacy."
[01.05.2016 16:54:46] WV-Scipio: Metzker: Zoners shall follow our laws
[01.05.2016 16:54:49] Core|AV-Schwartzvelt: You attacked us first.
[01.05.2016 16:54:52] Core|AV-Schwartzvelt: You should have not got involved.
[01.05.2016 16:55:00] Paladin's.Wake: Diana: Nope.

Look what I found. Enjoy

[Lythrilux]

And what? That Zoner had Nomad remains in his hold and we tried to demand them. It all happened about 20k from the Freeport initially. Your point?

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[Laz]

Its funny how the initial issue has been mostly forgotten at this point and its now just pathetic rambling and flaming.
People just dont know when to stop... *sigh*

Just to point out the initial point was stating that the info page was being updated, which some people disagreed with the point of view given within.

Now it is arguments between what is cannon and what is not... do indies matter.... oh and to remind everyone that this thing is like almost a month old now. There is nothing to be gaining my debating what happened, what is right/wrong; even more so when nether side is going to back down. So here, something I suggest everyone does:

Just walk away.

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[nOmnomnOm]

And what? That Zoner had Nomad remains in his hold and we tried to demand them. It all happened about 20k from the Freeport initially. Your point?

can i see the evidence in the posted above logs and pictures proving there was a demand for remains?

is like almost a month old now.

and that gives the excuse of core writing their own version and putting it as fact?

And for the record it may be started a month ago but it is still going

[n00bl3t]

Its funny how the initial issue has been mostly forgotten at this point and its now just pathetic rambling and flaming.
People just dont know when to stop... *sigh*

Just to point out the initial point was stating that the info page was being updated, which some people disagreed with the point of view given within.

Now it is arguments between what is cannon and what is not... do indies matter.... oh and to remind everyone that this thing is like almost a month old now. There is nothing to be gaining my debating what happened, what is right/wrong; even more so when nether side is going to back down. So here, something I suggest everyone does:

Just walk away.

Isn't it moreso just a reference/record of general Lythrilux behaviour?

[Doria]

Just to be clear: all Freeport admins are members of the CoF, which in turn is backed up by OSI, TAZ and IRG, the zoner Official Factions. So they are not indies, even if not members of an official faction. Most ARE members of official factions, even if using other chars for the role, as I do at FP2. And, by the way, the only Freeport admin that is not a member of an official faction is Commander Matok from FP6. And he is on the CoF as well.

So, no, no indies as Freeport admins.

Now you can go back to your alternate reality if you want.