(06-30-2016, 07:07 PM)Mark Hamann Wrote: Also just a side note, people got banned, second day server and TS get DDOS'd ... think about it, i am not accusing anyone, but think about it ... A 5 years old child can estimate where it's coming from.
A 5 years old child can understand that when someone with a bit more insight into server stuff, who surely knows better where DDoS attacks come from (read: Alley), says it's not them, then it's not them.
Now can you please stop posting?
I thought we were on the bandwagon of not trusting the admin team, why the sudden change of heart, wheres the demand for evidence?
(06-30-2016, 07:58 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: I thought we were on the bandwagon of not trusting the admin team, why the sudden change of heart, wheres the demand for evidence?
I understand what you mean Nemo, and i don't disagree with you
Ask for evidence as you want, it's no problem.. but i really trust the group of admins decision
Maybe if the decision comes from 1 admin, then i will doubt .. but when it comes from the entire admin team then they are not all power hunger haa.... don't you think?
Although im not against asking for evidence,... you can do that as much as you want, but i will not ask when it concerns these banned nicknames
I know them very good, and i have very long history with them and i know exactly what they do, and how they meta game and how they cause so much troubles to many new players and old
I know how they made lots of players leave this server, i know how they have people following them blind and do what they do just to follow.
Trust me i need no evidence regarding this matter only
maybe if it concerns other people then i will ask for evidence... tho, you can ask for whatever you want from the admin
(06-30-2016, 08:39 PM)Mark Hamann Wrote: I know them very good, and i have very long history with them and i know exactly what they do, and how they meta game and how they cause so much troubles to many new players and old
May you, in all your wisdom, share information with us unknowing mortals? Could you fill us up about your vast knowledge about the troublesome conduct of, let's say, Snoopy, or the metagaming habits of Karst? You sure know more than any of us, don't you?
(06-30-2016, 06:50 PM)Garrett Jax Wrote: ...
Be humble. The Community is toxic, no doubt.
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The community has every right to be toxic. The culmination of months, maybe years of frustrations are finally boiling over. This isn't the fault of the community this time, Bob, the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of those who squandered the trust of the users.
Thanks for posting Bob, really, even though I doubt these people will be unbanned; I think the admins might consider your words for the future.
Idk, I guess I should just state my opinion for the record.
After this, I'm not even fustrated, I'm really just paranoid. Like, I don't break the rules or play the game to harass people, I play it for fun. But even my version of "fun" like raiding with people has been met with dissaproval at times. A lot of people have gotten mad at me from time to time for pummeling them ingame, of course I talk to the said people and apologize/work something out etc. But my point is, is that I get more shit than Karst or Meph or Snoopy or Carter or Impy after ingame raids and what not no matter how much I try to be fair about it. I also get cranky a lot more, so if those people got banned without notice, and they are even more harmless ingame than I am, what might happen to me if I keep on the road I'm on? Am I going to get banned too without notice? Part of me doesn't even want to log in game or make an event or tell my faction members to raid because I'm worried that me playing the game the way I do will just get me banned. I don't break the rules, and I'll always apologize for a mistake ingame and I try to balance the fun. I get mad like everyone else does but still I'll get over it after some time and try to fix whatever mess I've made. I don't know about the forum ban or what happens on the forums with the said banned people (Bc I stopped paying attention) but I think banning these players from playing ingame is wrong. If they're trolling on the forums than probation might be the best option to stop them from trolling but ingame? No way, none of these people are extensive trolls ingame.
Impy just chills on his JM and par takes in raids every now and then, he doesn't harass people extensively ingame at all from what I've seen. Snoopy is my valor buddy and does nothing more ingame than help me and others during raids, he event teaches people how to get better in cap pvp (HE WAS ONE OF MY MENTORS) for those that might be interested. He went out of his way to make an entire tutorial. Karst? Everytime I play ingame with Karst, hes always on his ALG ship helping out Jack or leading convoy, he trades, how is that even remotely detrimental? He's responsible ingame and always tries to help balance the odds in pvp brawls. Hes friendly in conn and is a good training partner, hes a dedicated leader. Meph? He rose GMG| from the ashes, even when literaly EVERYONE hated GMG| he still managed to yank it out from whatever dreadful state it was in and make it into something better he drew attention to the faction and prevented it from being destroyed completely. He's also been a very fun person to fly with and against during raids, he is not detrimental at all in game whatsoever from what I've seen. Swifty doesn't even play currently, how can he be a harm ingame if he doesn't play? Lyth? Yea hes faced with make the tough decisions most of all telling people to stand down in a fight because he leads a faction full of pvp whores. But alone all he does ingame is log his faction and fight in group fights alongside his faction members like any leader would. Its not easy to tell someone that you've spent 15 minutes screaming at in an Echat to log and then tell him/her not to right click for the sake of balance. Really, it isn't, you might have the power but you're taking away that person's fun and basically screwing him/her over after begging them to come and support you. Lyth is one of those people that puts gameplay in front of everything else for his faction members, and thats why Core has winded up ganking a few times. He doesn't want to take away his faction members fun even when he might need to for the sake of balance. But people don't take it out on the faction members they take it out on him even when most of the time he isn't present ingame. But all in all you can see my point, if they are a real harm on the forums, than at MOST put them on probation. But ingame? They don't deserve the ingame ban, none of them do if you ask me.
I mean just looking ingame now a days I barely see 50 people online per day, the server is dying. Taking away active players (swifty just needed his pc running) like the ones you (the admins) just banned isn't helping in my opinion. There's no one to interact with ingame because the server is dying, the entire community is either paranoid or angry at both each other and the you the administration. But like Garrett said its not too late to fix it, if you ask me, put them on probation at max if they are really harmful on the forums, but in-game none of these people are extremely harmful and they should at least be allowed to play the game.
(06-30-2016, 08:39 PM)Mark Hamann Wrote: I know them very good, and i have very long history with them and i know exactly what they do, and how they meta game and how they cause so much troubles to many new players and old
May you, in all your wisdom, share information with us unknowing mortals? Could you fill us up about your vast knowledge about the troublesome conduct of, let's say, Snoopy, or the metagaming habits of Karst? You sure know more than any of us, don't you?
I realise that there is a lot of anger due to the lack of communication between Staff and the Community. I'm going to try and ease that a bit by telling you all my personal thoughts which will include some information that I believe is less sensitive and is "okay" to share. I must highlight, though, all of the bans were voted on. This means that not every Admin voted to ban Member X, in fact there was a lot of debate regarding some members.
Bias:
For those of you who scream "Bias!" I can assure you that there is absolutely no bias whatsoever included in these bans. If I could screenshot and show you all the voting process we went through you'd see that Admins removed themselves from votes admitting that their vote would be influenced by personal disagreements/experiences.
DDoS:
@Alley already said it wasn't the banned players so I thought that I'd just reiterate that to make sure that everyone knew that. If you watch Spazzy's stream on his YouTube channel, they mention the DDoS attacks. I quote Lyth "We condemn the DDoS attacks", so all of you that are tarnishing them with that brush - you're incorrect. Sorry.
Paranoia:
I spoke to Wesker earlier and he was asking me some questions, I told him I was writing this post and that he should seek answers in there. One of the things he highlighted was that he was paranoid that he or anyone could be banned at any moment. This was a very large exception and no one should be afraid to express their opinions on the forums about how things are done. Having the public criticise the body in charge contributes to a healthier relationship to make sure that the body in power doesn't throw the interests of the public out of the window. Now, a lot of you have just read that and are already scrolling down to reply to it saying: "But Cashew, you just banned 6 people for expressing their opinions!" or something along those lines. No, we had many reasons for the decision that was collectively made. Unfortunately I can't share those reasons because this is Cashew posting not Admin Cashew posting, if that makes sense.
Future:
What happens next? Well, this was the first step in our attempt to re-invigorate Discovery, which I understand is slightly strange and ironic. We're looking at bringing a swathe of new old players back to Discovery. There are several ways we can do this but a "mailgun" (I always forget the name of that, ask conrad) is definitely the best/most hopeful way of achieving this. Once we have more players we can begin to unveil more stuff, but I feel I've said too much about that already. In fact I'll probably get slapped for it, but I think it's better me getting told off than there being more uncertainty and confusion. What I think is very hard to see in this decision is that it was done in the best interest of the future of Discovery. I am aware that some of the banned players were faction leaders or members in important positions. We are already outlining plans to help assist these affected factions and I personally encourage the high commands or leading members of those factions to either contact myself or another Admin to make it known how we can specifically help you.
No confidence in the Administration:
I can clearly see that there is a lack of trust in the Administration. I'm not going to sit here and start yelling you should trust us, I hope to gain your trust through the actions that we will take as a team in the future. I fully accept that the actions that the Administration took a few days ago have had an impact on the, already shaky, relationship between the Admins and the Community. There are no plans at the moment to re-vote on the recently banned members. So there is no point in appealing for your buddies, they will all be able to appeal after 6 months like anyone else. I say that because I would like to re-build the relationship between us, that unfortunately means moving on from these bans. How can we re-build this trust-less relationship?
Staff:
- Us as staff need to be much more efficient in processing requests/reports/SRPs/appeals etc
- We need to have a much bigger presence on the forums, engaging in discussion
- We need to be more consistent. I am echoing Garret here, it's a good point to raise.
Community:
- Try to work together, this is your mod. Nothing good will come from mercilessly unleashing words of spite and hate on each other.
- Take in interest in the newer players, they are the people who will make that server pop increase. This means in game and on the forums.
- Play fair, its in your interests to make the other player's experience as best as you can make it. If it's good, then they'll be more inclined to log again.
I'm sure there are many more for the Staff, perhaps you could suggest some? I'll be pushing for more efficient and consistent methods in Admin discussions and votes.
Conclusion/End:
We recently completed a vote on the player requests and are beginning to grind through them and implement the ones that passed. If your request was not passed, one of us will hit you up with a message to let you know. I also keep seeing events being tossed around discussion, this is something I'm interested in. Although I've forgotten a lot of commands in game and server side, so I'll have to re-learn those. Lastly, please realise that I am acting in the best interests of the community and the future of Discovery. I saw the lack of communication and tried my best to offer the answers I could give without breaking rules, naturally I won't be able to answer some questions due to the sensitivity of information. However, please ask away and I'll try my best to provide an answer.