Roleplay ?

[Eppy]

/signed.

Also:

Those who do not want to join a faction might want to participate in those same group activities from time to time, however they might not want to be limited to the organisation and or requirements a faction might demand. They might also conceivably have a role play reason to not be in a faction (as my character does, and i know of others who also have)

Ahem? Your point? The point of an organized government is to better regulate its peoples' goals and to expand its power base, in this case by assuming power over the independents. We don't give a damn about indie rights, this is what people do. Britian didn't give a damn about any of their colonies' rights, and that got them an empire! This is how the world works. Imperialsim and conflict keep the world and, in this case, the game, improving. If, for instance, you decide not to pay taxes, what is going to happen? The IRS is going to send its Reeducation Squad after you and you're going to be brutally taken for everything you've got and left a hobo, if not jailed entirely.

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.

[Jihadjoe]

So stories are bad? I have an OC Templar, had an HF Raven Claw, have an LWB Wrath, and each one is extremely justified. Hell, every weapon and the thruster, not to mention the ship, are all mentioned in Vic Chonody's story. Is this bad? Is it?? Let's not forget the Rusty Donut for the LPI, as well. Yes, RP is 'characterization', but seriously people, I saw an LH Guardian the other day, and if he didn't have a story, he would get sanctioned so fast his pants would catch fire.

Telling people off for writing stories to justify their guns and ships when it's just that that we're expecting is wrong. I can understand if, as was mentioned earlier, it was a hastily slapped together thing obviously to get the ship. I never intended to get that Templar, never intended for Wesley to join the LWB. It just happened, it was how it flowed.

I'm sorry if my little rant thingy didn't make sense. Oh, and I agree with Eppy, by the by.

The point is Zapp, you didn't write a story to get a ship. You wrote the story for the sake of the story.

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[onca]

Like I've always said.... The trouble with "Common sense" is that it ain't.

Me, I'm more concerned with the players who can't be bothered writing any stories at all, and still go about with whatever uber junk they can get their grubby hands on. Them and capship whores....

@Tenacity, I must disagree with you. It's easy to stand there and decry that some factions will have better stuff than others, like it or lump it, when it's _your_ faction that has the uber weapons. That mentality might be ligit in SP, where the player is encouraged to go further out and make friends with/battle with tougher factions to get better weps as a reward. But that doesn't cut it in MP, when you want balance and equality between factions.

(And and those folks that boast their Rogue chars use only Sammaels.... for chrissake, those thing dish out more DPS than most other class 9 guns, but have a high fire rate and speed to boot. Try playing Junkers with crappy Barragers, even Liberty guns as someone pointed out.)

Yngen is spot on about balance. Nobody likes to lose consistently, especially if your weps are so much worse than the oppositions. It only forces all but the most hardcore RP'ers into the "better" factions, as we have seen time and again.

Now what were we talking about again?

[Magoo!]

We don't give a damn about indie rights, this is what people do. Britian didn't give a damn about any of their colonies' rights, and that got them an empire!

And that sir is how America happened about... And they're left with an island. Anyways... It's the same with the Rogues and Hackers. They don't like being fingered by the ever present corporate and governmental thumb, so they rebel. Stage a few coups, spread the word about rebellion, etc.

I myself don't like all this hierarchal rubbish with bosses and whatnot. I stick to RP, and I don't have to be ordered around by people I hate. Plain and simple. The JG are my only faction, and they're super-relaxed about everything, which is why I like them.

-Edit- Oh... And Onca, the Sammi's do practically the exact same damage as Liberty's best Vengeance (Mark IV I belive?) with the same 8.33 fire rate and shot speed.

[Sand_Spider]

I have to say that this thread has inspired me to dump the SN I have on my Freelancer (with Kusari origins) and get two mini-razors. Why? They make more RP sense, thats why! (Unless the mini-razors are faction specific, in which case, i'll just scrap the bomber and get a fighter)

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[Exsiled_one]

There's quite a difference between an indenpendent character that participates, and the one that doesn't. And you can spot it from a mile. Just look at example of that outcast post - the indie wants the fly his ship, and did what the outcast authorities want. Was it hard? I really doubt it? Was it rewarding? It sure was mom! Point is in those other indies that refuse to play along or refuse to listen, or basically refuse everything thats there. Like it or not, the faction is much more influential than the individual and can accomplish more than one person can, no matter how his roleplay is.

Concerning the situation with TBH and the outcasts, the entire events became a big desire to win. Ofcourse it has, thats why the even is organized, to see who is better. Then the light fighters came, then the counter tactics begun and then the corsairs turned to their own light fighters. Now I see the part where Corsair looks it from this point:
I have a bugged light fighter that I won't use because it is unfair both to me and to my opponent. There's a civillian equivalent and I can use it because its civilian.
Although my corsair would rather die for his bugged arwing than take the civilian tiger shark, I think we can all make bit adjustments here since its not really our fault we're not using arwings. - and I call this a compromise thinking. Its good.

but i guess then the desire to outfit the ship with weapons that fit it came, and shield busters mixed with hull busters just didn't work, and there's no level 8 missile to fit there and oh gosh nuclear mines just don't cut it. True, and then they looked at others and said, well, "it's civilian" and the whole story happened again. Now, I might get flamed for this, but too many compromise solutions makes others feel jealous.

I still don't see a big reason to report this to admin or whatnot, but outcasts did I guess and where I would just stop having events with the side that caused me frustration, they have refused to give up and decided to take it to the higher point.

I agree with jinx when he says that things aren't so dark and that things are actually good, but so much can happen in so little time and thats when things simply blow up. I hope things will calm before some people decide to spend a friday night out with friends and beer instead of playing this game (kidding).

It's just my thoughts. I could be wrong.

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[Eppy]

And that sir is how America happened about... And they're left with an island.

Indeed it is. We made it economically unviable for Great Britain to continue attempting to control us. And when the independents can organize themselves and overthrow the BLS, RoS and 101st then they can go right ahead, because that's nothing more than a revolution. Happens all the time. The independents have not made it unviable to continue as a power. Hence, we're still alive and kicking (them), baby.

EDIT: Is it inviable, unviable, nonviable, or what? I'm not sure, and I haven't figured out this thing's spellcheck...

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.

[sovereign]

Indeed it is. We made it economically unviable for Great Britain to continue attempting to control us. And when the independents can organize themselves and overthrow the BLS, RoS and 101st then they can go right ahead, because that's nothing more than a revolution. Happens all the time. The independents have not made it unviable to continue as a power. Hence, we're still alive and kicking (them), baby.

EDIT: Is it inviable, unviable, nonviable, or what? I'm not sure, and I haven't figured out this thing's spellcheck...

Inviable.



EDIT. Not going to let you know how unhappy I am right now. THOU SHALT NOT FLAME.

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[LH~Highwayman]

I fly with the Lane Hackers... I fly a Sabre, two actually. Ran him up from just a wee Dagger to Greyhound, to this. No help outside the faction, and more than that came from Piracy. I fly with guns purchased from the Outcasts (Krakens), and Adv. Debilitators (from Leiden). Now, I would be using all Hacker weapons, but if I did that, I would be left with a DPS so low I couldn't kill a patriot. THAT is my only reason to use better weapons. Do I feel good about it? Not really. However, the LH did make a deal with the Outcasts to get these guns, so... I don't know. Just try to pretend they're Hellflurries, eh?

Anyway, all this talk about Battle Razors, Infernoes, and Supernovas.... Do you seriously expect that we could ever allow only the factions that invented them to use them? The Corsairs and Order would have well-armed bombers, well-armed capital ships... The Outcast's enemies would have no shields... And everyone else in the galaxy would be completely screwed. Does it make sense that only three factions in the game have good weapons? Not really... We have to suck up our pride and use more evenly balanced weapons or just join the factions that have the best stuff.

I can't believe it was even suggested that only the Order and Corsairs should have access to the Supernova and Battlerazors. While we're at it, why don't we take away mortars, too? Bombers without supernovas are about as useful as... Well, nothing. Nova does no damage to most of the capital ships (And you'll probably kill yourself). Minirazor is the same. Any Corsair in a battleship could take out almost an entire House Fleet without problem...

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[Zelot]

Hoodlum,



I am alittle upset by what has transpired today, I have found it to be just a little unfair. You say we should be adhering to unwritten rules, but how is it that people are to know what these unwritten rules are? I was under the impression that the unwritten rule was that civilian weapons were able to be used by everyone. That was my impression, that was the impression of my faction leaders, and from a number of the replies from the numerous threads my sanction has spawned, the impression of at least a significant portion of the server players as a whole. So, when I logged on to the forum this afternoon from work, I happened to see a thread about Corsairs using civi weapons, so I opened it and it had a link to a sanction, opening that, to my surprise, I found this it was me who had been sanctioned for using a load out that has become standard for my faction.(and in a fairly mean tone I might add, "Holy Mary" like I should have known.)



There have been numerous threads about the Corsairs use of the Tigershark, no where did I see any Admin say that there was anything wrong with it in the slightest. We have been using the ship since the begging of the Eta fights, which is probably two or three months, and no Admin said there was anything wrong with it. So all of a sudden I am sanctioned, no warning, no notice to our faction, no nothing. I truly believe you just wanted to make an example of me, and I think that is unfair.



Add to that, the fact that we have these wonderful faction feedback threads now, where an Admin could very easily post something about a ship that is on a factions allowed ship list being inappropriate. Did I see anything in the TBH faction feedback thread from an Admin saying anything was wrong with it? Nothing. But here I find myself sanctioned. Is this this sense of compromise you were speaking of Hoodlum?



I was unhappy that my sanction thread was closed before I got to make a comment about it, I sent you a PM, If you don't feel like responding here, you could just respond to my PM from this afternoon.



Understand I have no problem with rules, but I have to be able to know what they are, If I had been told there was anything wrong with my ship or load out, I would have changed them(which I have now done, even though I know can't use my CD, making a LF pretty much useless.) I am just upset for being sanctioned for something a good portion of the server felt was completely legit, without any kind or notice or warning that what I was doing was wrong.

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