During the events of today, an incident had occurred in Coronado where a player, who admitted on the forums too, was setting up their weapon groups of their newly purchased turrets on their Gunboat. He shot to see the placement of the turrets, accidentally hitting some of the rounds onto his shield. It was a harmless mistake.
I wasn't there to witness what happened as I was returning my Capital ship from Omega-3 from helping people fend off a hostile Hessian Cap, I approached to literally see an Order capital vessel shooting someone - who just happened to be roleplaying as an affiliate of the faction once I looked at the name - of course, I gave the Order player to explain himself.
Quote:[07.09.2016 19:26:29] order guy: ****: how dare you attack my ship
[07.09.2016 19:26:38] freelancer guy: Did you die?
[07.09.2016 19:26:45] order guy: ****: Fire all cannons
[07.09.2016 19:27:03] bystander2: How violent.
[07.09.2016 19:27:14] bystander1: Here we go.
[07.09.2016 19:27:32] bystander1: Ooooh, 'ere comes the cavalry. Better 'ide, Amenhotep.
[07.09.2016 19:27:33] bystander2: Well, beside a good cup of tea, this is quite entertaining right now.
[07.09.2016 19:27:35] bystander2: One challenged captain.
[07.09.2016 19:27:37] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: Woah! Hold on.
[07.09.2016 19:27:47] A/)-ACV-Eidolon.Wraith: Raven: Ceasefire.
But no. He cloaked, and ran away. I arrived when I said "Woah. "
After this incident, we proceeded to get into a heated argument where the CR accuse us of setting up this scenario oorply - which was NOT the case. Most of us just decided to leave, as we didn't want to put up with this.
I went to Inverness, and we briefly started to talk about rp and other general stuff. We decided to fulfill some screenshots for this comm to pass the time and to generally relax, and to possibly roleplay with any people who we passed by.
We were questioned ingame what we were doing around the system, most of the questions relating to OORP behaviour, them asking for what I was doing in system - when I was telling the truth. That's when it really started to get downhill.
They asked me to show screenshots, so I oblidged. I sent them it on Teamspeak but then I was accused of editing screenshots and deleting screenshots which wasn't the case, I even uploaded a video of me going through my screenshot folder to show what I had on my perspective, and to show that there were no file inconsistencies. None of the numbers were skipped - besides when I pressed back to show previous screenshot which I passed too quickly.
I'm really saddened that players were trying to find every possible reason to shoot us - even going to an extent of doing a very oorp mixmatch, ignoring all previous roleplay set by the factions. Fine - if you want to shoot us or try to change things, cool, environments should be dynamic. But putting grudges first beyond fun of others fairness? Twisting RP and stories to give yourself benefits? Stomping on others and bragging about the hate?
Ehhhhhhhhhhhh, not nice.
All in all, that's my explanation of my part.
I did NOT go out of my way to hunt the Order.
I did NOT want to go out of my way to harass players.
I'm not trying to do trial by forum but I want a RESOLUTION. But I was met with rhetorics, repetitive insults, and accussations in PMs.
What I'm suggesting is that we not acknowledge any of these events as it was a catalyst of an OORP accident. It would be mutually beneficial to restart this all over - censoring the incidents entirely - both of the sides gain or lose /nothing/.
Short explanation.
Accidents were made today in Coronado, it was happened because of an OORP accident over a player who was setting up their weapon groups - testing it, accidentally hitting another player. Said player started to shoot. Incidents of hate and series of grudges happened after it. Various displeased members becoming more and more upset. It's just a mess. It's just becoming out of hand.
I'm suggesting a mutual correction on this event, such as mutually redacting it before drama starts to get worse. It's /going/ to get out of hand - it's inevitable. Let's settle this is in a reasonable manner. Accidents happen, we're all human.
This isn't supposed to be a trial by forum but rather an attempt at a resolution before it gets messier.
Please don't post if you're not quite involved, or just here to bash. We're all mature here.
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(09-08-2016, 03:30 AM)Demonic Wrote: Ok, allow me a few questions, more out of curiosity, than anything else, as a CR| member who is not particularly active.
1, Did you declare war on Order, knowing that both you and Order are somehow cooperating with CR?
2, Did you bring your capital ships to Coronado?
3, Do you have a permission to go to Coronado with every capital that was there? If you have, can I please, see it?
I'm just trying to gather as much information as I can, so I can make my own picture, not based on only one perspective.
1. No. It was explained in this thread that we were agreeing to keep Coronado as a neutral ground - despite the leaders saying that we aren't and are in foul play of shady behaviour - which isn't the case. We can't engage anyway.
Quote:With respect for the Crayter Republic, we retain our stance of non-aggression within the system of Coronado towards their forces as per your request
It was cleared up multiple times by both parties that the Wraith was allowed in Coronado. There is another thread somewhere but I can't find it again. CR have been ignoring the ships for months, it wasn't relevant to it or not.
I am sorry but The Order is not going to retcon anything. Conflict happened and by saying that "nothing took place" is the lamest thing to say.
I've been a witness to good chunk of the conversation when Barrier Gate got busy afterwards this event. Auxesia immediately wanted to use the occasion to blame The Order for it and get Order banned from Coronado per Colonial law. I am not sure why it is suddenly you are all mad that this gambit had not played out in your favour yet again, calling it "bad RP" (seems to be reccuring trend for Vendetta) but The Order| had kept to its part of the bargain to not bother with Auxesia in Coronado as Colonials asked. On other hand, Auxesia did not fulfilled its own obligations.
I am open to talk and discuss about it, but I will not consent to resolution in such OORP manner like this.
Retconning should never be the first solution. Only the last, when all else fails. And I don't think the "all else" of that has failed, not quite yet. We can still talk, but going off at people isn't the way.
We simply played our RP, from what we seen and heard inRP an stuff, thats RP, things changes, sometimes not on your favor, and we arent going to retcon anything.
It's very easy to say that an RP is valid when it puts you in a situation transparently advantageous. The problem is that it breaks the continuity of RP for all factions concerned and enormously compromises another faction's ability to roleplay or enjoy the game on a very basic, gameplay centric level. It's a chinch situation that made no sense. It leaves no options for elaboration, and was vastly un-fun for everyone on the receiving end - INRP it looked like the entire populace Coronado had gone suddenly mad, OORPLY it looks like a stitch-up.
It's unconscionable, and, if we have to accept that, it means the end of our respective faction member's SRPs, several months of roleplay, and the death of the faction itself, all because of some minimal RP coms and a fabricated flashpoint that all the evidence in the world, InRply and Oorply, hasn't been able to stem.
Indeed, the entire situation comes -from- a retcon by the CR, since they granted us cap access. How does anything make any sense anymore? The Arktos was being refitted at Sabah - what happens to it now? Do the CR and Order storm on it with 5k mahreenz? What is going on?
We were moving a ship, our allies log, start CD spamming us, and blow us to hell after subjecting us to a kangaroo court Stalin would be impressed by.
THE SYNDIC LEAGUES
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(09-08-2016, 10:49 AM)Erinyes/Tanith Wrote: It's very easy to say that an RP is valid when it puts you in a situation transparently advantageous. The problem is that it breaks the continuity of RP for all factions concerned and enormously compromises another faction's ability to roleplay or enjoy the game on a very basic, gameplay centric level.
That sounds very familiar. Remember the RP your faction did to ask for 75% RM tech? Yeah, me neither.
You don't seem to have a problem doing this yourselves. Plus, you make your own events with your own friends to get SRPs, and alts to do roleplay.
For all I've seen your gameplay revolves mostly around that and logging off consistently. I don't think anything changes with this. "Roleplay actions have inRP consequences".
Edit: forgot Reeves and Spectre showing you battleship Atun on their order alts too. Way to go.
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