Clearing things up on my Roleplay.

[kenshin156]

And yes, I can agree that even with my characters it can be an art style choice in a sense.

I do agree on this. The only problem is - I can't remember where I found it, but I think I read something along these lines - when you inRPly write things like "He got agitated, showing his teeth as he growled, his ears lowering as he readies his claws to pounce"
When you make the inRP actions change based on that, it's no longer just an art style.
I'ma out myself a little here, I like the furry artstyle. I am an animal friend as much as the next guy, and for some reason, a slight antropomorphic style just looks cool to me. But I agree that it's nothing Freelancer would deem fitting.
In my eyes, having a furry transmission-bar doesn't faze me in any way, but if it's basically dictated to me inRPly, by you writing "*he sticks out a single claw, fiddling out a piece of fur stuck between his teeth*" that's affecting what my character sees. That's affecting the universe as a whole.
I mean, I wouldn't try and implement humansized worms as a new race, just because I like worms (theoretical situation, I find worms gross)

Technically - I'm not saying it'd go through or anything, but TECHNICALLY - you could do years of RP about people experimenting with mixing DNA and genotypes of humans and various animals, ultimately creating a new race, being antropomorphic animals...

I mean, really. Why would you? The only reason I could think of someone wanting to be turned into an animal-human hybrid would be... fetishism... or something else psychologically valid I really cannot comprehend. Think of the inRP hate your character would get. If you would be fine with that, cool. But we're in Freelancer 824 AS...
Xenophobia is the most dominant feature in Discovery.
Gammu AI, Nomads, Wilde, Gallia (although debatable if called "alien" or any other non-human thing in the universe. Hell, even humans from a different sleeper ship are hated by specific humans.
Logically and inRPly speaking, your character - or anyone's "furry" character - would be free as a bird... And in the medieval times way. They'd get hunted by xenophobes, they'd get hunted by - literally - racists, seeing them as inferiour specimen, hell, they'd get hunted by TROPHY HUNTERS cus who wouldnt want to have a semi-human looking fox head hanging over their chimney?

I'm also emphasizing again, I'm not going against you, I'm not going against anyone. I'm just saying - even though I *personally* couldn't care less what your character looks like - it wouldn't fit discovery, nor could it possibly flourish.

[SMI-Great.Fox]

"These robots in the courtroom are breaking my immersion! BAN IT!"

Except robots are part of Vanilla and Discovery lore.

Then you have no issues with Toris's Android character he made?

Vendetta. Auzari.

My point I'm trying to make is this.

Whats to stop people from trying to complain in the littlest things to get creative ideas banned?

What will you do if people try to ban your roleplays cause they don't like it? Regardless of it fitting in Freelancer or not?

Will you bend to people claiming the whole community hates it? Or would you not want to fight it?

The more you try to restrict roleplay, the more likely new people coming to the server will thick twice to be creative.

[Petitioner]

"The first response is to adapt the non-fitting parts of the lore until they do fit"

-That's what I'm trying to to in the slightest bit. Did you read the backstory revision I placed if I may ask? Do you think it has even the slightest bit of chance for people to think. "Yeah. I can believe that."

If your characters still have fur, then you haven't adapted the lore enough.

And with all due respect mate, you are wrong. There are people who do care, but they wont speak up due to the fact the moment they do, they will be targetted and shunned regardless of what they've done for the community.

Ah yes, the "silent majority" argument. I'm sure that as many people as there supposedly are that are afraid to speak in your defense, there are equally as many people who loathe the idea of furries in Discovery. See how easy that was for me to say? I can just claim "but silent majority!" with regards to any situation and not have to prove it.

With all due respect to any actual members of said alleged silent majority reading this post, if you cannot be bothered to speak up about something, then your opinion does not matter and nobody is under any obligation to consider it. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from voicing your opinion in this or any other thread. If you're too bothered by the idea that people might disagree with you on the internet, then you're probably too sensitive to be roleplaying a genuine character, especially in an environment as grimdark as Freelancer is.

Then with all due respect Treewyrm. Why even try to make a story if you know people will forget it or mold it into something else?

Why does anyone do anything? We all die and are forgotten eventually (except Alexander the Great, I guess, but sadly, I don't see anyone here conquering Persia). The answer is "because it's fun". If you're writing your stories to be remembered, rather than just because you enjoy writing them, then maybe you should take a big look at why you're actually playing this game, fam.

[Char Aznable]

EDIT: Ninja'd by Petitioner, this was supposed to be right below Bret's post

Or you just stop adding things to the lore that weren't there in the first place just because it fits your particular fetish.

There. I said it. And yes, this was formulated harshly on intention.
I get your point Bret, but that doesn't change the fact that RPing furries is not a 'cosmetic choice' for you, Toris, or anyone playing furries on Discovery. It is a deliberate choice to include something in the lore that is neither precedented nor adding anything of note to what makes the universe appealing. And that does break immersion for some people. Not the inclusion of robots, not your oh-so-scientific explanations for why furries exist. What breaks the immersion is your deliberate disregard for the lore of the game you are playing.

What's to stop people from banning something else that doesn't fit? Like Anime pictures? The answer is nothing. But if the community decides that it wants to ban Anime pictures, and that is a decision created by a significant amount of people doing it, it's part of the way the game develops and works. Communities abide by rules and guidelines that make them work, and Roleplaying communities are no different. They set guidelines and lore for the game they are playing. DnD groups decide on a world beforehand, and stick to that. Shadowrun players decide on a world beforehand, and stick to that. Discovery players decide to play in the world of Freelancer and stick to that.
This is not about the community disliking furries. I don't give a damn, and there is plenty of people from the furry fandom in this community that are able to abide by those rules and guidelines without trying to constantly ignore or fight these rules, because they understand that they are in place for a reason, and, sit down before you read this, they might even agree that anthropomorphic fox people are not part of Freelancer, and have never been. This is about you disliking the world that this entire community has agreed on, and trying to force a part into that world that doesn't fit for most of us but you and a very small amount of people.

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[Treewyrm]

What I, presonally, can't get over with is the fact that hard work of this wonderful guy had been ruined after the seven years - which is a lot of time.

Then perhaps you should realize that one's work is not guaranteed to remain in perpetuity regardless of time and effort put into. Things come and go. Many stories preceded and their results, their consequences had already vanished from the context of the mod, just like many factions of the old. Just like I don't expect the work I did here to remain the way it was, in fact it already had changed into something else.

Then with all due respect Treewyrm. Why even try to make a story if you know people will forget it or mold it into something else?

Off topic: Wheres our new Trade Lanes and Gates? :U

Well now, it's a rhetorical question really...

The way I see it everyone has their own personal reasons, be them creative expressions and whatnot, where my motivations were always about making things and having a challenge in accomplishing them, typically some technical issue I had to overcome. But yes, eventually people will forget, that or give 'em a new spin you didn't expect or hadn't intended. Sometimes it's hard to say which one is best outcome really, sometimes you'd want a some form of continuation (but what it'll turn into?) and sometimes you'd want the old stuff to be left out. Probably nobody remembers what I had started with here and that's quite alright, cause it was sh!t. Take a few years more and even this place will become deserted and eventually there'll be no server to respond with the stories you've posted there, just picture that. But before you'd say it's a depressing image to think of I'd say it is the journey in the making of things, stories, models, environments, etc that counts. Harsh reality of course is that pretty much all things here aren't really important for preservation, by quality or otherwise. I had enjoyed my journey but I've moved onto other things and these days and I'm frequently running out of free time to do 'em all.

Gates and lanes someday I presume. Finishing and polishing to a good quality is a bit tedious process and not a particularly fascinating one either.

[Vendetta]

Except robots are part of Vanilla and Discovery lore.

Then you have no issues with Toris's Android character he made?

That was a very fine line he drew. I actually didn't have a problem with it but it was a cringy attempt to get past the ban of the fandom its self.

Vendetta. Auzari.

My point I'm trying to make is this.

Whats to stop people from trying to complain in the littlest things to get creative ideas banned?

Because so long as it fits within the lore they can't complain.

What will you do if people try to ban your roleplays cause they don't like it? Regardless of it fitting in Freelancer or not?

Will you bend to people claiming the whole community hates it? Or would you not want to fight it?

If - on the extremely off chance that my six year character somehow becomes unacceptable and I'm required to remove all that effort and time, I would leave. If our faction were to be even more restricted than it already is or end up nuked (as we already put up with a majority of people who share those exact ideals) I'd leave. I don't do anything else here, anyway. (smoke)

The more you try to restrict roleplay, the more likely new people coming to the server will thick twice to be creative.

There's creative talent and then there's obvious attempts at circumventing something that doesn't belong in the lore, period. Why haven't either of you acknowledged the breakdown summary of why anthropomorphic beings would not exist in Discovery as hybrids? Why do you feel the need to explicitly go out of your way to create an entirely new species like so many people have before you just to give your character fur in a universe full of bigots and bias?

It. Doesn't. Make. Sense.

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[Kauket]

"These robots in the courtroom are breaking my immersion! BAN IT!"

Except robots are part of Vanilla and Discovery lore.

Then you have no issues with Toris's Android character he made?

Vendetta. Auzari.

I don't care, but it's blatantly annoying if he's constantly making FURRY characters and heavy furry references.


Stop.

No furries IN Freelancer. There is no discussion about it. You don't need to keep reminding everyone that you're a furry. No one cares. - and that's about as honest as I can get.

If you want furry roleplay, go to deviantart or any other community. It's simple as that. No argument. We're not here to pleasure your fetishes with net culture.

If your characters are amended and fixed to be Human and to fit within lore, good for you. There's really nothing much to it.

Am I harsh? Yes. Because that's just the way it is. There is nothing more to it than this self-righteous attitude assuming they should be allowed special privileges to suit their personal needs. I'm just saying it as clear as day.

[SMI-Great.Fox]

Spoiler

And yes, I can agree that even with my characters it can be an art style choice in a sense.

I do agree on this. The only problem is - I can't remember where I found it, but I think I read something along these lines - when you inRPly write things like "He got agitated, showing his teeth as he growled, his ears lowering as he readies his claws to pounce"
When you make the inRP actions change based on that, it's no longer just an art style.
I'ma out myself a little here, I like the furry artstyle. I am an animal friend as much as the next guy, and for some reason, a slight antropomorphic style just looks cool to me. But I agree that it's nothing Freelancer would deem fitting.
In my eyes, having a furry transmission-bar doesn't faze me in any way, but if it's basically dictated to me inRPly, by you writing "*he sticks out a single claw, fiddling out a piece of fur stuck between his teeth*" that's affecting what my character sees. That's affecting the universe as a whole.
I mean, I wouldn't try and implement humansized worms as a new race, just because I like worms (theoretical situation, I find worms gross)

Technically - I'm not saying it'd go through or anything, but TECHNICALLY - you could do years of RP about people experimenting with mixing DNA and genotypes of humans and various animals, ultimately creating a new race, being antropomorphic animals...

I mean, really. Why would you? The only reason I could think of someone wanting to be turned into an animal-human hybrid would be... fetishism... or something else psychologically valid I really cannot comprehend. Think of the inRP hate your character would get. If you would be fine with that, cool. But we're in Freelancer 824 AS...
Xenophobia is the most dominant feature in Discovery.
Gammu AI, Nomads, Wilde, Gallia (although debatable if called "alien" or any other non-human thing in the universe. Hell, even humans from a different sleeper ship are hated by specific humans.
Logically and inRPly speaking, your character - or anyone's "furry" character - would be free as a bird... And in the medieval times way. They'd get hunted by xenophobes, they'd get hunted by - literally - racists, seeing them as inferiour specimen, hell, they'd get hunted by TROPHY HUNTERS cus who wouldnt want to have a semi-human looking fox head hanging over their chimney?

I'm also emphasizing again, I'm not going against you, I'm not going against anyone. I'm just saying - even though I *personally* couldn't care less what your character looks like - it wouldn't fit discovery, nor could it possibly flourish.

First part. Anyone in any story being written will make pretenses on how their character 'acts' and 'reacts' Being as to get angry or sad, to express emotion.

Second. If you saw under the first post, I stated I had dropped the whole genetic experimentation with all of my characters except one because he is an altered clone. So I'm no longer going to go into such an arguement as it no longer reflects my characters.

Third. Believe it or not. People HAVE roleplayed to hunt down my characters. Please do if you want to I have no issue in people still trying to do so. But not under the pretext of say "Strolls into the Bundestag and guns down every person present, then leaves".

If your characters still have fur, then you haven't adapted the lore enough.

Then it is at that point as you so stated "The third response is to refuse to accept the way things are and ragequit the community." Because the single most detremental part that people have with those characters, is skin deep.

And with all due respect mate, you are wrong. There are people who do care, but they wont speak up due to the fact the moment they do, they will be targetted and shunned regardless of what they've done for the community.

Ah yes, the "silent majority" argument. I'm sure that as many people as there supposedly are that are afraid to speak in your defense, there are equally as many people who loathe the idea of furries in Discovery. See how easy that was for me to say? I can just claim "but silent majority!" with regards to any situation and not have to prove it.

With all due respect to any actual members of said alleged silent majority reading this post, if you cannot be bothered to speak up about something, then your opinion does not matter and nobody is under any obligation to consider it. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from voicing your opinion in this or any other thread. If you're too bothered by the idea that people might disagree with you on the internet, then you're probably too sensitive to be roleplaying a genuine character, especially in an environment as grimdark as Freelancer is.

I didn't state it as silent majority or minority. Was not the angle I was getting at. And yes I would ask the same of people to speak in defense of this arguement as well.

Then with all due respect Treewyrm. Why even try to make a story if you know people will forget it or mold it into something else?

Why does anyone do anything? We all die and are forgotten eventually (except Alexander the Great, I guess, but sadly, I don't see anyone here conquering Persia). The answer is "because it's fun". If you're writing your stories to be remembered, rather than just because you enjoy writing them, then maybe you should take a big look at why you're actually playing this game, fam.

Exactly. I want to write a story that even if people disagree with, perhaps one person will read it and say "I like it." For me, thats more than enough. Even ifs forgotten. FOr me, all of this writing and story telling, even if people dislike it and few like it. Is fun. We all came here to have fun did we not?

Or you just stop adding things to the lore that weren't there in the first place just because it fits your particular fetish.

It's not a fetish on which my RP stands by. So drop it in respect. Because you're basing such without proof like saying all people of a particular skin color are murderers. I'm not going to go down that road of discussion as its a very low road to go on.


Gentlemen. Ladies.

If you all are able to judge my characters simply by what they look like on the outside, are you able to judge them on the content of their character to the same degree?

Or is all of this just the issue of being skin deep?

[Char Aznable]

For Christ's sake Bret, no, this is not about your character depth or whatever. It is you trying to fit something into the game that doesn't. Fit. Into. It.
Your character can be as deep and well-thought out as you want him to be, if he is a furry, he doesn't fit. Period. End of discussion. And the question is: If your character is as deep as you claim him to be, so much more than his fur and claws, then why not play a human and be done with it?
I can answer that question for you. Because you think that you're being attacked here. You aren't. You are the one consistently trying to circumvent and discuss something that has been agreed on by most of the community, be they part of the furry fandom or not. It is getting to a point where you are ridiculing yourself, and I would advise you to stop.

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[Kauket]

I've noticed that most of these defences are /completely/ ignoring the main point - like, really? Nitpicking arguments and then trying to be self-centered, taking it personally as an insult - (which mind you; is a massive indicator that people are supposedly touching your 'personal zone of interests'! where you are basically confirming it's a fetish)

If it's a furry, and HAS to be one, it's a bad character. Depth? Irrelevant.

You're more than capable of making amazing characters.

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