(01-02-2019, 03:17 AM)Saphira123456 Wrote: Answer: Re-read the Original Post. I have clearly stated in there that no PKN member will be displayed, publicly, as a PKN.
Instead, they will appear as a human pilot.
And unless and until that PKN member reveals himself, attacking them will be considered METAGAMING.
(01-02-2019, 03:17 AM)Saphira123456 Wrote: You will not see the Peacekeepers as Nomads. You will see us as fellow human pilots (and due to the limitations of the game our characters will be human pilots to start with) and you will never know we are PKN (tag for Peacekeeper Nomads) unless we tell you.
There are factions such as the Order who have established lore that allows them to detect Nomads and infectees pretty easy in space. So it won't be meta gaming. Threatening people here is also not a good way to get your point across.
Now lets take a step away from this issue as I feel you've been given all the information but you just aren't willing to accept and adapt to it, so lets focus on a much clearer easier problem.
Your first page doesn't say what specific ID or IFF you will be using, can you edit it to show that clearly.
As for ID, the ID for off-duty pilots will be using the Freelancer IFF/ID.
On-duty pilots will be using the IFF/ID that they are given when they join their faction.
(01-02-2019, 03:23 AM)Tenacity Wrote: Oh, so this isnt a nomad faction at all, it's people wanting to RP 'infected' characters without actually going through the effort of applying to the Aoi Iseijin.
In a way, yes.
However, unlike the Aoi Iseijin, these "Infected" characters care about one thing and one thing only:
A PEACEFUL SOLUTION TO THE NOMAD PROBLEM.
They don't want to become soldiers in an eternal war that has been going on for so long, nobody remembers who really started it.
They want to avoid another war like the one that started the entire saga back in the events of Starlancer, Freelancer's prequel.
They remember what happened to Earth. They remember what happened to cause the evacuation from their homes.
They remember the war between the Alliance and the Coalition, which reeks of what will happen if the conflict (edited because the Nomad War is over) between Nomads and Humans continues.
And they do not want that to happen again.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
It's also a way for Nomads to be Infected, but also be in the different House armed forces or corporations, like you saw in the base game.
And it may take years upon years, but like people IRL are slowly learning not to be racist, sexist, or all the other bad things that ends with the suffix "ist", the Peacekeeper Nomads want to end the hatred of Nomads.
Or at least, the small subset of peaceful ones that are currently in the galaxy at present.
To end the specific Anti-Nomad hatred, because while we may all be Nomads, some of us may be friendly.
I trust nobody here wants to be an in-game... how to put this...
"Extraterrestrial racist"?
Just like not all Mexicans are murderers and criminals IRL, not all Nomads are cold-blooded killers in Discovery.
I misunderstood your concept earlier. So you're basically nomad infected individuals connected to one another, right? You should clarify this, as Nomads are a whole different species and your idea can be misunderstood easily.
In addition, I recommend you to treat your "group" not as a faction (which is what you do by posting about it here), but to simply write down RP about your individuals, stating that your character is nomad infected and then RP with one anothers characters in order to establish the network between them.
While you're at it, I highly recommend you to gain knowledge about Freelancer and Discovery lore (mainly Nomads and the Wild), because nomad related characters are the hardest to roleplay.
Unfortunately, as I can tell you're quite passionate about your idea, I need to tell you that you're going to have a hard time representing this kind of character with pretty much every ID. Your options are to either join an existing Wild faction (which is Aoi right now), or make an SRP.
(01-02-2019, 03:23 AM)Tenacity Wrote: Oh, so this isnt a nomad faction at all, it's people wanting to RP 'infected' characters without actually going through the effort of applying to the Aoi Iseijin.
In a way, yes.
However, unlike the Aoi Iseijin, these "Infected" characters care about one thing and one thing only:
A PEACEFUL SOLUTION TO THE NOMAD PROBLEM.
They don't want to become soldiers in an eternal war that has been going on for so long, nobody remembers who really started it.
They want to avoid another war like the one that started the entire saga back in the events of Starlancer, Freelancer's prequel.
They remember what happened to Earth. They remember what happened to cause the evacuation from their homes.
They remember the war between the Alliance and the Coalition, which reeks of what will happen if the conflict (edited because the Nomad War is over) between Nomads and Humans continues.
And they do not want that to happen again.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
You have a lot to learn.
I'll address your points one at a time:
Quote:However, unlike the Aoi Iseijin, these "Infected" characters care about one thing and one thing only:
A PEACEFUL SOLUTION TO THE NOMAD PROBLEM.
There cant be any peace when you have invaders in a star cluster left to you by your creators. Humans are that invader. Nomads view themselves as superior in every way to humanity, and are the rightful inheritors of Sirius - an area of space left in their care by the Daam K'vosh, the species who created them. If you were left as a guardian of sirius, and a bunch of hairless apes in junky steel ships started colonizing your space, wouldnt you be pissed and want them out?
Quote:They don't want to become soldiers in an eternal war that has been going on for so long, nobody remembers who really started it.
The war has been going on for approximately 25 years, and it's well clear humans were the ones who started it when they invaded nomad space with the sleeper ships and started tearing apart the Daam K'vosh legacy. If your memory cant go back 25 years, you're gonna really have a hard time with this next bit....
Quote:They want to avoid another war like the one that started the entire saga back in the events of Starlancer, Freelancer's prequel.
They remember what happened to Earth. They remember what happened to cause the evacuation from their homes.
They remember the war between the Alliance and the Coalition, which reeks of what will happen if the conflict (edited because the Nomad War is over) between Nomads and Humans continues.
Aside from stories, nobody - human or nomad - has any clue about the alliance-coalition war, that happened thousands of years ago and nobody in Sirius was alive during that time period. The nomads that attacked sol are NOT the same nomads we have here in Sirius, they are neither K'hara nor Vagrant, and arent even in the same strain.
So no, you really cant remember, because all of that is metagaming in the first place.
(01-02-2019, 03:23 AM)Tenacity Wrote: Oh, so this isnt a nomad faction at all, it's people wanting to RP 'infected' characters without actually going through the effort of applying to the Aoi Iseijin.
In a way, yes.
However, unlike the Aoi Iseijin, these "Infected" characters care about one thing and one thing only:
A PEACEFUL SOLUTION TO THE NOMAD PROBLEM.
They don't want to become soldiers in an eternal war that has been going on for so long, nobody remembers who really started it.
They want to avoid another war like the one that started the entire saga back in the events of Starlancer, Freelancer's prequel.
They remember what happened to Earth. They remember what happened to cause the evacuation from their homes.
They remember the war between the Alliance and the Coalition, which reeks of what will happen if the conflict (edited because the Nomad War is over) between Nomads and Humans continues.
And they do not want that to happen again.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
You have a lot to learn.
I'll address your points one at a time:
Quote:However, unlike the Aoi Iseijin, these "Infected" characters care about one thing and one thing only:
A PEACEFUL SOLUTION TO THE NOMAD PROBLEM.
There cant be any peace when you have invaders in a star cluster left to you by your creators. Humans are that invader. Nomads view themselves as superior in every way to humanity, and are the rightful inheritors of Sirius - an area of space left in their care by the Daam K'vosh, the species who created them. If you were left as a guardian of sirius, and a bunch of hairless apes in junky steel ships started colonizing your space, wouldnt you be pissed and want them out?
Quote:They don't want to become soldiers in an eternal war that has been going on for so long, nobody remembers who really started it.
The war has been going on for approximately 25 years, and it's well clear humans were the ones who started it when they invaded nomad space with the sleeper ships and started tearing apart the Daam K'vosh legacy. If your memory cant go back 25 years, you're gonna really have a hard time with this next bit....
Quote:They want to avoid another war like the one that started the entire saga back in the events of Starlancer, Freelancer's prequel.
They remember what happened to Earth. They remember what happened to cause the evacuation from their homes.
They remember the war between the Alliance and the Coalition, which reeks of what will happen if the conflict (edited because the Nomad War is over) between Nomads and Humans continues.
Aside from stories, nobody - human or nomad - has any clue about the alliance-coalition war, that happened thousands of years ago and nobody in Sirius was alive during that time period. The nomads that attacked sol are NOT the same nomads we have here in Sirius, they are neither K'hara nor Vagrant, and arent even in the same strain.
So no, you really cant remember, because all of that is metagaming in the first place.
Here are your counterpoints with mine.
1. "There cant be any peace when you have invaders in a star cluster left to you by your creators."
Counterpoint: Um, Native Americans vs. White Colonists in the 1800s? Same deal, and they seem to be quite friendly with us now, despite our attempts to wipe them out back then.
2. "thousands of years ago"
Counterpoint: More like 800. The year 1 AS was eight hundred something years ago.
3."So no, you really cant remember, because all of that is metagaming in the first place."
Quick question.
Did nobody bring any history texts from Earth on the sleeper ships, prior to the evacuation?
If we didn't then how do we know we are still Human after eight hundred years, let alone a thousand?
Quote:1. "There cant be any peace when you have invaders in a star cluster left to you by your creators."
Counterpoint: Um, Native Americans vs. White Colonists in the 1800s? Same deal.
Give the native americans modern day firearms and that's more equivalent. The only reason they didnt keep fighting is because they lost, and now what's left of them are either integrated into the population or stuck on native preserves.
Nomads arent even close to losing this war, and they'll keep fighting to push humans out of sirius until that point comes.
Quote:2. "thousands of years ago"
Counterpoint: More like 800. The year 1 AS was eight hundred something years ago.
1 A.S. is when the sleeper ships officially settled in Sirius (technically the Liberty was the first one down, IIRC). Sirius is a very long way from Sol, and it took time to travel here. We have no factual timeline, but most estimates suggest that the colonists were in cryostasis for at least several hundred years, more likely thousands.
The war between humans and nomads has only been going on, overtly, for 25 years (Since the events of the campaign in 799-800 A.S., to the current date 825-826 A.S.). Covertly, it began sometime around 730-760 A.S. when the first nomad incubi were awoken by rheinland scientists and infected the expeditionary team. Prior to that point, the entire nomad species was in hibernation, and unaware that humans had even shown up in sirius.
Quote:Also 2:
Quick question.
Did nobody bring any history texts from Earth on the sleeper ships, prior to the evacuation?
If we didn't then how do we know we are still human?
History books existed 800 years ago, too, but how much do you remember about 1200 A.D.? History gets muddled over time. Books are lost, rewritten, history is transformed and inflected upon by opinion and perspective. No history is 100% accurate, especially throughout conflict, as the victors are always the ones writing the history books and we are not a species devoid of bias.
The one individual who even saw the end of Sol (yes, there was only one remaining) followed the sleeper ships and tried to warn them, but everything he knew was wrapped up and classified, eventually leading to the creation of the branch of the LSF that would become The Order during the nomad war, under Orillion.
(01-02-2019, 03:49 AM)Burning Wrote: I misunderstood your concept earlier. So you're basically nomad infected individuals connected to one another, right? You should clarify this, as Nomads are a whole different species and your idea can be misunderstood easily.
In addition, I recommend you to treat your "group" not as a faction (which is what you do by posting about it here), but to simply write down RP about your individuals, stating that your character is nomad infected and then RP with one anothers characters in order to establish the network between them.
I did try this the way you want me to - stating that my character is Nomad-infected in a group and RPing it out - but the group ended up saying I needed to post this here on the forums to make it "official".
You can't compare the colonization of America with the colonization of Sirius. Last time I checked, native americans weren't a whole different species created with the sole purpose of defending their land. What the ♥♥♥♥.
The war between Alliance and Coalition didn't break out suddenly 800 Freelancer years ago. 1 AS is one year after settlement in Sirius. I don't know how long the war has been present beforehand, but it doesn't sound unrealistic that it's been there for a few hundred freelancer years.
Quote:Did nobody bring any history texts from Earth on the sleeper ships, prior to the evacuation?
If we didn't then how do we know we are still human?
You're making a huge mistake here. In the intro, when they said they have forgotten the reasons of the Coalition - Alliance war, they didn't mean they literally forgot the reasons. What they were expressing is that the war has been going on for so long and has taken so many casualties that the reasons they had to begin the war were no more relevant to continue the war.
Quote:1. "There cant be any peace when you have invaders in a star cluster left to you by your creators."
Counterpoint: Um, Native Americans vs. White Colonists in the 1800s? Same deal.
Give the native americans modern day firearms and that's more equivalent. The only reason they didnt keep fighting is because they lost, and now what's left of them are either integrated into the population or stuck on native preserves.
Nomads arent even close to losing this war, and they'll keep fighting to push humans out of sirius until that point comes.
They lost when they got sucked back to their own worlds by the opening of the Hypergates. at the end of the Nomad War.
What we are seeing here, including the Wild and others, are little more than mobile native reserves that refuse to stop fighting.
Eventually we're going to end up with the space equivalent of another Battle of the Little Big Horn.
The next step is to, as you said, integrate them into the population.
And just as an aside - you are forgetting that many Western tribes, including the Sioux, had period firearms.
Mostly rifles and shotguns, of the same types and calibers we used back then.