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frozen · 10-10-2009, 01:29 AM,

heres an idea i brought up in skype 10 mins ago. quote:

Quote:[01:20:33] Gurjiv (Frozen) Singh says: also panzer, what i had suggested was a clash of both freelancer and eve. make battleships have around 4-5 different turret classes, and make each bs have a dedicated set of siege turrets, while the rest would be smaller turrets designed for anti fighter, etc.

so take this into consideration.

class 10 turrets become the new siege turrets, VERY LOW turning, huge size (about the size of razors, perhaps half more bigger), 8k range.
class 9 turrets become mortars, light mortars, heavy mortars, razors, pulses.
class 8 become all primaries, secondaries, solaris', cerbs.
class 7 become all cruiser turrets
class 6 become all gb turrets.

every bs ingame gets a specialized loadout. so light battleships get 4 siege turret slots, mediums get 6 siege turret slots, and heavies get 8 siege turret slots.
the siege turrets are for pure bs vs bs combat, and hopefully if alex agrees to undockable stations that go boom (kinda like battlestars and basestars on BSG mod), can use that as "factional warfare" where destroying the base helps players "reign" chunks of planets. since cannon made the auto updater, the changes can be made on a regular basis to incorporate any changes.

cerbs/primaries get 3k range, primarily for anti cruiser.
secondaris get 1.5k range, against gbs.
mortar gets booted, just heavy mortars left. 5k range, devastating.
pulses and razors stay as they are, -maybe- remove pulses and make siege turrets have either anti hull, or anti shield.
[01:20:59] Panzer says: good idea
[01:21:05] Panzer says: ***good actually
[01:21:15] Panzer says: a Zep-carrier could actually do some good
[01:21:24] Panzer says: cruiser-sized guns and a BS powerplant
[01:21:45] Panzer says: useless for going toe-to-toe vs biggies, but smalls stay the fux away
[01:22:21] Panzer says: combined with some mechanics upgrade to permit smalls to refill?
[01:22:24] Panzer says: Dreamey
[01:22:25] Gurjiv (Frozen) Singh says: it will require a bit of work, but in the long run will actually make cap warfare much fun, and allow discovery to incorporate mini-events where factions have to "capture the flag" by destroying the enemy "POS" (as eve calls player bases:P) in order to have their npcs patrol the area instead of enemies.
[01:22:46] Panzer says: what's stopping us?
[01:22:55] Gurjiv (Frozen) Singh says: [01:22:25] Gurjiv (Frozen) Singh says: it will require a bit of work,
[01:23:00] Gurjiv (Frozen) Singh says: that is.
[01:23:02] Panzer says: uh
[01:23:10] Panzer thinks

[01:23:25] Gurjiv (Frozen) Singh says: that, alongside the fact that discovery actually hates doing major changes, while agreeing to everything as long as its just "plans"

pieguy259 · 10-10-2009, 01:30 AM,

Where would transport turrets go?

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Mickk · (This post was last modified: 10-10-2009, 01:38 AM by Mickk.)

EDIT: Removed by me due to complete and total lack of understand of what Tenacity was getting at.

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frozen · 10-10-2009, 01:32 AM,

' Wrote:Where would transport turrets go?

make em class 5?

make class 5 fighter turrets class 4, class 4 into class 3, and anything below is hardly used anyway, so doesnt make a difference. bomber guns are now class 1 guns, so the class 6 turrets are free for use. if worst comes to worst, certain fighter gun classes can be optimized and used.

Tenacity · 10-10-2009, 01:37 AM,

The point is that the ONLY way cruisers (or battlecruisers) can fight battleships is to stay at max range. I dont expect to solo a battleship, but I wasnt trying to either - this was a fleet against fleet battle involving a lot of ships.

Problem is, the carrier got an engine/speed nerf that it shouldnt have, so now I cant even get away from the goddamn battleships when the fight drifts my direction. Further, battleships out-range every cruiser weapon available short of missiles, and cruiser missiles cannot damage battleships that have their shields up - cruiser missiles also happen to have a horrid refire rate, suck more energy than a light mortar, travel slower than a light mortar, and do less damage than a light mortar. Oh, and let's not forget that a single flak gun will make a battleship immune to missiles regardless of whether his shields are up or not.

Only the smallest cruisers can use that tactic effectively anymore - everything else gets screwed by the weapon changes made to battleships, and those changes werent even needed in the first place.

Ackarion · (This post was last modified: 10-10-2009, 02:22 AM by Ackarion.)

<strike>Not to flame or to add to the fire.

Tanacity, it sounds like your set up of your BS is of the old turret system. Since the cap ship you went up agianst dicided to go all prims and cerbs, best to bring some bombers on that fella, becuase he won't be able to hit the broad side of a barn. If you and your friend had the same set up as he did, I am sure you would have had his lunch and laughing about it for the next half hour.</strike>

I am thankfull for this posting even though it was at your expense. I realize I have more options on how to set up my BS. I dont get alot of cap vs cap action, so I am a bit enveous of your battle. I do though get swarmed by bombers, so I can now put more soliries or secondaries on now.

If ya get in that situation again, just pack some cerbs, get rid of the marshmellow thrower, and tear through him.

Any who, see ya in space.

EDIT:
My apologies, I thought you were in a Battleship, I retract partial of my statement on the fact I had no clue of where Tenacity was coming from.

Tenacity · 10-10-2009, 02:21 AM,

' Wrote:<strike>Not to flame or to add to the fire.

Tanacity, it sounds like your set up of your BS is of the old turret system. Since the cap ship you went up agianst dicided to go all prims and cerbs, best to bring some bombers on that fella, becuase he won't be able to hit the broad side of a barn. If you and your friend had the same set up as he did, I am sure you would have had his lunch and laughing about it for the next half hour.

I am thankfull for this posting even though it was at your expense. I realize I have more options on how to set up my BS. I dont get alot of cap vs cap action, so I am a bit enveous of your battle. I do though get swarmed by bombers, so I can now put more soliries or secondaries on now.

If ya get in that situation again, just pack some cerbs, get rid of the marshmellow thrower, and tear through him.</strike>

Any who, see ya in space.

EDIT:
My apologies, I thought you were in a Battleship, I retract my statement on the fact I had no clue of where Tenacity was coming from.

Dude, I fly a carrier, it doesnt get any Battleship turrets... just these piece of crap cruiser turrets that the developers seem to ignore entirely, along with the of the cruiser and battlecruiser ship classes.

Once again I'll repeat myself... cruisers have become the bastard child of this mod. They have no purpose other than to act as targets for anything bigger or smaller than they are, and nobody with the power to change anything seems to give a damn.

Canadianguy · 10-10-2009, 02:23 AM,

' Wrote:You know, I find it really hard to understand why people actually put in work on the mod, when anytime anything changes that Tenacity doesnt like he insults them. The rest of you too. How about you learn to act like an adult.

Edit: get a life, dont get so upset over a vida game.

Funny how this posts has been ignored. While its actually one of the best posts here.
CHILL OMG!!!!!!

Yes you might not like the change, but no need to bash the guy who got the idea.
Just say your points in a civilisate manners.

I have to say its nicer to read:
I do not like [Insert Change here] because of [insert reason here]

Than it is to read:
[Insert the guy who got the idea] can go die in a fire since he changed [insert change here] so now [insert reason why you hate the change].

All what will happen now is that this thread will get locked.

Ackarion · (This post was last modified: 10-10-2009, 02:26 AM by Ackarion.)

I understand, This is why I upgraded to a Dread. My cruiser sits and collect dust.

lw'nafh · 10-10-2009, 02:26 AM,

Yeah, cruisers are just.... There, untouched. Hell, my dessie hasn't seen combat recently because it gets eaten so fast.

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