K'Hara Feeeeeeed back

[The_Godslayer]

But the latest rendition of K'Hara is just prioritizing murdering.

The latest rendition of story that we have ever actually received is: K'Hara nomads are boxed in on all sides and facing extinction through starvation because we don't like your players and want to remove your faction. Apologies that a cornered animal fights with fangs and not diplomacy.

And before I hear the "but we promised that we'd change that story so stop bringing it up :(((((((((", you haven't fucking changed it yet, so that's what we're working with. If you want nomad RP, I have a lot of DSAce to spare. People worth talking to are spoken with. Most people aren't worth talking to. If I felt the need to sit for an hour of spam "you killed toledo, I'm so sad that u monsters exist, I'm telling the order on u", then maybe you'd have your wonderful and fulfilling RP encounters like the lesbian sex RP over Manhattan.

Except who tf wants to read that? There's no reason to not just shoot and move on because I'm not going to get decent RP. @Toaster you haven't given me decent RP. @Fab you're not going to give me decent RP. You both are just going to spam my DSAce with "Main Protagonist of Discovery Freelancer" bs that I have to scroll through to find the new depths to which decent RP has been buried. If you have anything more than a sad orphan admiral that has a colonyship to RP with a nomad, then actually bring that. It'd be nice to finally meet someone that's not carbon copy little girl admiral number 69420. Learning Nomad story and RP is a requirement to even join the faction, and is a requirement that very very few have passed (only one since the recruitment rework), so if your character has character these guys are going to at least try to RP. I think even Karlotta got about a minute or so of RP before actually getting shot.

Nomad players are impossible to be roleplayed with because it is simply not possible, therefore not adding anything to the roleplay environment as a whole

So for this, no. It's possible to RP with Nomads. People do it a lot, too much at times. No, its just impossible for YOU to RP with Nomads.

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I'll do something about my superiority complex when I cease to be superior.

"Whatever happened to catchin' a good old-fashioned passionate ass-whoopin and gettin' your shoes, coat, and your hat tooken?"

[Fab]

It's possible to RP with Nomads

Oh yeah? according to yourself:

There's no reason to not just shoot and move on

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[Saronsen]

Do you wish for a genocidal alien species to simply offer you the first move towards a communication? That sounds like they're breaking their role as the, you guessed it, extremely hostile alien species that is intent on taking what is theirs at any cost.

Perhaps it is you who should extend the olive branch through one method or another. Contact someone on the forums, discord, or in-game, and see if they'll be willing to partake in not-immediate hostilities. Bring a gift for the K'hara you encounter. Learn ICly who the wild/aoi characters are and deal with them first before trying to deal with the hostile alien species that sets humans to -100 out of the possible +100 rep.

combat/PVP is NOT roleplay

This however, is factually wrong.

Our role is a violent one. If you want nomads that aren't immediately aggressive, the Vagrants have been around for years.

I'm not for /1 /2 K'hara interactions but I am the one who pushed the entire faction towards violence a couple years ago now.

That all said, you'll find it extremely difficult to do anything but PvP in an environment full of nearly silent capital ships, groups of sworn enemies who will turn a 3 way brawl into a 3 faction gank on nomads, and overall a community who is hostile to us OOCly regardless of how we behave. That and without devs/admins making large events/story changes possible, it's a challenge. The only developer with the power to do so does his own thing with Nomads outside of the omicrons and as far as I can tell, has not included/refuses to include K'hara in the shenanigans.

Any time Godslayer has approached with a story development, he seems to be ignored. I'll talk to him about it again regardless.

[The_Godslayer]

The only developer with the power to do so does his own thing with Nomads outside of the omicrons and as far as I can tell, has not included/refuses to include K'hara in the shenanigans.

Czech DMs soon, cause my specific character is "involved" in that, and I'll toss you an explanation.

It's possible to RP with Nomads

Oh yeah? according to yourself:

There's no reason to not just shoot and move on

Strong context, I guess you just didn't read. When dealing with your kind, the haha funny capital ship admiral who can do no wrong, is the hero of the zoners, is the Jesus of discovery, and everyone should just fawn over them, there is nothing for me to do but /1 /2. It's like clicking through the dialogue of an annoying character in a visual novel. Instead of clicking the fast forward button at the bottom of the screen, I'm right clicking you away so I don't have to listen to an ankle-deep character and their verbal onanism.

When dealing with a vast amount of other characters who have meaningful and entertaining interactions, it's very easy to RP with them, like the aforementioned shenanigans. It is also possible to PvP with them, because their characters have depth and motivations.

So:

It's possible to RP with Nomads

its just impossible for YOU to RP with Nomads.

Try making a character with a situation that would matter to nomads. Or, as worked for Hemlocke, a character with a mindset that interests nomads. Or, as worked for DS, a character who's qualities are entertaining for nomads. Try putting the bare minimum of effort to create an encounter that isn't hostile by default, because when people that hunt you, people that feed the people who hunt you, or people that fortify the people that hunt you appear, it is obvious that the first response is to kill them.

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I'll do something about my superiority complex when I cease to be superior.

"Whatever happened to catchin' a good old-fashioned passionate ass-whoopin and gettin' your shoes, coat, and your hat tooken?"

[Krumai]

I've recognized that some players are salty with our faction, but let's put all of that in context. Remember that this is a feedback thread and is not meant to spew out harsh criticism.

- The K'Hara| are only friendly to the Wild/Aoi, simply because they are their human hosts who will happily serve their masters. Anyone else is worthy of being shot, though there's the option for some mind-bending RP (eg. by having your character feel the presence of something dreaded). If you want to RP with nomads that are more tolerant of humans, choose the Vagrants. After all, you can't tame a lion expecting to not get mauled.

- From the ordinary human's perspective of view, yes, we are the "bad" guys of Discovery Freelancer. It has been that way since vanilla. You already have a good memory of the original storyline since that is part of Discovery canon. Remember that the K'Hara| treat humans as intruders and enemies ever since they managed to weaken them in the storyline. The Vagrants were separated by the hypergate and had developed a separate mindshare over time, that eventually led them to choosing some of humanity rather than reunification.

- If you meet a Nomad ID'd indie face to face, you can expect the usual hostile RP, then combat. As long as they're observing the server rules, they are okay. It is not our fault if they commit a sanctionable act, because they are simply not part of the K'Hara|. The Omicrons are thought by most as not safe, hence the only logical explanation for this is the presence of the occasional Nomad. You can choose to spice things a bit more, but most human players would try to flee unless they have the strength to deal with a Nomad or a group of them.

- Also, if you want your human character to be friends with the K'Hara|, just restart as a Nomad or Wild. You don't need to join the K'Hara| or Aoi in the first case. The other choice is to work your way up through RP encounters (ingame and forum) with K'Hara| and Aoi, either as a human, a Wild Pawn, or an indie Nomad. If done right, you can make your way into the player faction (recruitment is still open). I myself played a GC character that eventually came to respect the Nomads and become a member of the Aoi Iseijin. Similarly, Shinju managed to RP with Godslayer for his own unique ship SRP.

I hope that summarizes our perception. There's always room for some holistic RP with us, even if in most cases it ends up with the usual aggression.

[Karst]

If you want to talk to a Nomad, you can greatly increase your chances if you

- Aren't Order, Core or other very hostile factions
- Are not a threat, i.e. not an armed ship of a class that would be a danger to them
- Aren't anywhere near their hives and aren't in any Nomad home system
- Maintain a respectful distance
- Make your peaceful intentions clear

If you do all that, there's a good chance the Nomad can be willing to roleplay. At least my K'Hara characters would be.
After all, the mindshare does want humans that are open towards them, whether to infect them or to use as "cultists" that try to convince other humans.

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[Karlotta]

I think even Karlotta got about a minute or so of RP before actually getting shot.

There were 5 lines of the usual *** light good - darkness bad - ours angry and superior and spitfire now *** in what looks like 49 seconds before the k'hara opened fire, and 2 lines of the same dropped about 5 seconds after opening fire from they indy.

I should probably clarify a few things tho.

My gripe with you/K'hara and some people is not that you shoot people, and don't RP "enough", or even that ***the way*** in which nomads are forced to RP is one of the most brain dead things one can find in disco, and that's saying something.

My gripe is that you, and a lot of other people/factions, are hypocrites about it. Outsiders are made to expect something they won't get, and that leads to disappointment and nerdraeg. For example the attitude of "we RP with people who deserve it and murder people who don't, without giving them a chance to RP, because we don't expect them to RP anyway" gets people who tried to RP with you blown up, who will later (or previously) see you declare you are the greatest RPers and its the others who dont RP and only shoot (or dock).

Its a phenomenon in disco you see across many other factions who consider themselves "better than others", and has been omnipresent from 2008 to now. It's part of why OFs should really get better guidelines and recommendations from staff on how they are expected to behave, than the "Faction rights and obligations" we have.

Furthermore:

In my opinion all non "wild" nomads should be permitted to engage without any text RP at all within certain omicron systems.

They should also be able to mine iridium, azurite, and artifacts in delta and knossos, and be able to pirate for cargo, have larger cargo holds than the human counterpart ships class, and have decent sell price for some stuff on nomad bases.

That would open disco for people who dont speak english and broaden the player base, and give nomads other things to do than /l1 /l2 pew pew pew.

Also, nomad lore needs to be changed so it permits more interesting RP. Currently nomads across the board look like emotionally driven superiority-complexed teenagers who have the psychological depth of a cephalopod and a speech impediment. That's not a "you problem", that's a disco nomad lore problem.

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[Fab]

If you want to talk to a Nomad, you can greatly increase your chances if you

- Aren't Order, Core or other very hostile factions
- Are not a threat, i.e. not an armed ship of a class that would be a danger to them
- Aren't anywhere near their hives and aren't in any Nomad home system
- Maintain a respectful distance
- Make your peaceful intentions clear

If you do all that, there's a good chance the Nomad can be willing to roleplay. At least my K'Hara characters would be.
After all, the mindshare does want humans that are open towards them, whether to infect them or to use as "cultists" that try to convince other humans.

I am still convinced that nomad players are indistinguishable from AI-controlled nomads. since the "leader" of the faction openly admitted to avoiding RP because the only good RP are theirs only or the RP they judge worthy, I'll start doing the same towards the hivemind nomad faction, and any RP attempts of their part, I will personally void them and proceed as nothing happened.

what's the point of partaking in a faction whose role can be 100% done by simple AI? AI sees, AI approaches, AI shoots. Player sees, Player approaches, Player does /1 /2, shoots. What's the difference? It's in the endorsed manual to just destroy, and nothing more. is the character even in your control when you have no other way of acting?

"But if you make your intentions clear things might turn out different!"

How, if the very "leader" of the faction endorses not giving space to roleplay because it is "unworthy", according to their own judgement?:

there is nothing for me to do but /1 /2. It's like clicking through the dialogue of an annoying character in a visual novel. Instead of clicking the fast forward button at the bottom of the screen

If the mods themselves allow this behavior from a faction leader - who is supposed to be an example - to continue, expect the roleplay element towards K'Hara/Nomad to simply vanish. Because this is what I'm doing from now on. Since he can, I'll do too, and I'll encourage others to do the same.

K'Hara/Nomad should be completely be removed as a playable faction. Nomads with preserved individuality/personality can still be played.

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[Saronsen]

Because this is what I'm doing from now on. Since he can, I'll do too, and I'll encourage others to do the same.

K'Hara/Nomad should be completely be removed as a playable faction. Nomads with preserved individuality/personality can still be played.

And now you've exposed your little vendetta to the public, and made it clear this wasn't about feedback, but about not being treated exactly how you want to be in-game.

People are not obligated to roleplay with you, nor are you entitled to a non-PVP roleplay experience. If this is how you react to not getting your way, perhaps its best you try and PVP me and the rest of us. I haven't had the opportunity to use the cruiser as much as I would like.

Thank you for your time and kind words, but we would like to remind you this thread is for Feedback, not for your arbitrary hatred of the faction.

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[Fab]

People are not obligated to roleplay with you Surely. sentiment goes both ways.
nor are you entitled to a non-PVP roleplay experience. I expect nothing more than "RP" composed of macros to shoot someone from the Nomads. I didn't ask for roleplay - I'm just saying that hivemind Nomad roleplay is near non-existant. and therefore useless to the server as a whole. AI could assume the roles of players and nothing would change.
arbitrary hatred of the faction. Yeah? then give me some compelling arguments on why a faction where players have their individuality severely limited and encourages players to behave like bots should be playable. Oh, and how its players waste my time and the time of others by stalking the private channel list for the sole purpose of engaging them (not even military targets/threats). I'll start doing that too. It's only fair.

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