Rule Inconsistencies?

[Raekur]

It would be nice if you chose your rep at the start, like some other mod allowed, especially with the sanction happy mods this server has.

You could choose your rep and it could be locked, buy your ID (although you wouldn't need an ID at that point), and the admins would have one less excuse to sanction people.

/Time for me to rant a bit.

Funny, I suggested the same thing ages ago and the reply was that it would be unfair.
Why should people be able to use a /restart to fix their rep when SOOOOOO many others have worked so hard to get to the rep they have now. Maybe to AVOID the shear magnitude of crap like this thread has revealed. Its so damn easy to get green with BH and Corsairs its fricken stupid. Same with getting green with BH and Outcast. Anyone ever consider that he was landing at Crete to take missions AGAINST BH to get his rep back to neutral. Successful missions move a rep a lot faster then going to the particular base and failing missions over and over again.

So here is a question for you all,

Are you here to play a role, or are you here to act like a mob and lynch someone?
So far I have seen the amount of complaining increase radically. People bitching about capital ships, bombers, traders, pirates and anything else that someone has that they dont.

IF you guys really want EVERYBODY to play a role as YOU define, then POST a DETAILED description of EXACTLY what is expected by EVERY faction so that everyone can read it. Otherwise, its all left up to an individual interpretation of what a role is. And guess what, one persons perspective on a role is NOT going to be the same as another persons.

/Rant ended.

Id provide a very specific example, but last time it was focused on instead of the main message.

[druggy]

well i deleted Cerberos now anyway it took me long enough to be able to get to corsairs system without being attacked and i will not do it again. just to get it sanction again because someone that likes to cry alot to admins just becouse someone is trying to get his rep fixed

[Akumabito]

Are you here to play a role, or are you here to act like a mob and lynch someone?

Their here to lynch somebody. That much is obvious. Sanctions don't exist here to help RP, they exist as a way for people to get even or settle grudges.

Hopefully the new admins can fix it, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Dusty Lens]

*waves hello to Aku*

I believe Del, actually, good and loyal admin that he is proposed that storage depots belonging to various factions be made available in Connecticut to allow for an initial change of diplomacy. However the primary reason why starting location and reputation were locked in Discovery thus far were tied in with single player compatibility.

Now that we're separating ourselves from that crutch I believe that we're going to be allowing for variable starting locations using a 'default' neutral system which opens into many others. Though don't quote me on that (unless you want to, but we'd both just look foolish).

That being said, virtually every unlawful faction has bribes available to it on neutral points such as freeports and junker bases. Should this ever come up again ponder the idea of a Bounty Hunter alligned pilot flying a Bounty Hunter vessel to Crete to stop in at the bar and get things settled. It might have been the most direct path, but not necessarily the most logical one within the context of a simulated reality.

A more neutral vessel or neutral stop off point, such as Freeport 9, may serve you better in the future.

Furthermore, the admins are all corrupt and they're after my preferred brand of breakfast cereal. Which they have no intention of acquiring under their own merit of labor, but rather seek to remove from my possession under threat of force/hijinks.

[Akumabito]

Should this ever come up again ponder the idea of a Bounty Hunter alligned pilot flying a Bounty Hunter vessel to Crete to stop in at the bar and get things settled. It might have been the most direct path, but not necessarily the most logical one within the context of a simulated reality.

There is no logic involved in rep fixing and character set up, there is simply the mechanics of acquiring the proper rep and equipment, and the shortest most direct path is the most logical to that end if you character didn't start life life rp wise as a police friendly Manhattanite.

The admins often act to sanction without any thought toward the circumstances, often at the urging of some community member who is using the sanction process more for revenge than for helping the server community. I think most people recognize this.

The admins are also quite content to support sanctions based on lies under those circumstances.

[Reverend Del]

No actually Akumabito, you're wrong, wholeheartedly wrong. Having now been behind the scenes and seen what is required to make even the most obvious rules violation turn into a sanction, I can assure you lies will not cut it. In fact lying to us will get the liar into even more trouble than the supposed violator would have gotten into had the report been true. It's simply not worth it.

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Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.

[Akumabito]

No actually Akumabito, you're wrong, wholeheartedly wrong. Having now been behind the scenes and seen what is required to make even the most obvious rules violation turn into a sanction, I can assure you lies will not cut it. In fact lying to us will get the liar into even more trouble than the supposed violator would have gotten into had the report been true. It's simply not worth it.

Actually, you are wrong. I know first hand sanctions are based on lies.

[Raekur]

Akumabito - Not all sanctions are based on lies. Granted only 1 report I submitted has ever resulted in a sanction but there was no arguing about it, the guy cussed in open system chat.

As towards sanctions, what I would LOVE to see happen is a reply from the admins to the poster if a sanction is turned down and exactly why. This would give feedback to the poster and maybe some viewpoint that he was unaware of that would explain why the action was not a violation. Otherwise, the only thing that a poster can speculate is that the report that he filed was ignored and that leads to the belief that the admins show bias towards certain people. That NEVER ends well for either side.

Maybe add a couple of steps to the sanction process.

Admin group receives the report.
Assign a particular admin as a contact person for the report.
Specified admin send acknowledgement that the case is being reviewed to the poster.
After 2 weeks of deliberation either a sanction is granted or a reply to the poster is sent explaining where the poster was mistaken on his interpretation or intent of the rule in question.

This will strenghten the relationship between the players and the admins.
Its better to be told you were wrong about a rule, then to think that either the admins dont care or are protecting someone.

[Akumabito]

I am not saying all sanctions are based on lies, but I know personally that lies and prejudice taint the sanction system, and that admins are largely responsible for this.

Obviously some sanctions are black and white, but even then there is a large variance on the penalty imposed and no standards in place. If someone cusses in system chat there isn't much room to misinterpret those events even if there is prejudice behind the actions.

The rules are sloppy, sanctions are sloppy, and the whole system feels and looks corrupt.

[Zero755]

Im siding with Del on this one, if there is a sanction report put out then the offender has obviously done something to warrent said report.

We cant just all crap Sanction reports, otherwise the server would be a giant witch hunt.

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