Junker Trader, legal.

[Zelot]

This is almost a disguised trial by forum.

If you'll look to the begging, this was started as a Bounty Hunter trial by forum thread, but I decided to defend the Bounty Hunter, because in this case he was playing by the rules.

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[worldstrider]

Yes I understand that it says Junker instead of Pirate, but the ID's are EXACTLY the same.

edit @ tinkerbell, no what it says is Junkers may engage Bounty Hunters, I am not talking about the part about fulfilling bounties.

A Junker reputations player with a Pirate ID is in this position.

The rules state clearly that ID takes precedence (comes first).

That Junker has 'said" by his action that he is more devoted to piracy than being a Junker in action. That means he can openly ally with criminals and attack police, etc.

A Junker with a Junker ID has to "not get caught", "Get along" and not openly flaunt the law.

Enagge bounty hunters and lawfuls does not mean attacking them on sight--or they would not be allowed to dock lawful station. "May" does not mean KOS or "must".

That's the difference.

A pirate ID can be attacked on sight by lawfuls if they want--but that is not the same as a Junker ID. Smugglers are in the same position--they may smuggle but it is not a given that every trip they make is contraband. Smugglers are not shot on sight, they are more carefully watched and less trusted--same with Junkers.

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[Spear]

Speaking as a 35 year old that apparentley communicates like a 10 year old. (*slaps Kuun-Lan for a second time), it's called a debate son.

Junkers are not outright unlawful, name one other pirate faction that may dock on lawful planets? Hell I have a Bounty Hunter too, it's not like I am short of targets.

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[Kuun-Lan]

spear did u just identified your self with my words on my last post?????

wen junkers stop acting like unlawfulls maybe then the lawfulls will see junkers with another eyes

[Zelot]

Speaking as a 35 year old that apparentley communicates like a 10 year old. (*slaps Kuun-Lan for a second time), it's called a debate son.

Junkers are not outright unlawful, name one other pirate faction that may dock on lawful planets? Hell I have a Bounty Hunter too, it's not like I am short of targets.

I have seen GC NPC's docking on Roppongi, does that mean that GC are not pirates?

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[Spear]

spear did u just identified your self with my words on my last post?????

wen junkers stop acting like unlawfulls maybe then the lawfulls will see junkers with another eyes

Translation:

Spear did you just identify yourself with my last post?

When Junkers stop acting like unlawfuls maybe then the lawfuls will see Junkers with "what the hell?"

Junkers may act unlawful, that does not mean all of them are, we are having a civil debate here and you jump in and call people you disagree with children? Take a step out from this conversation, it's way, way beyond your grasp of English.

@Zealot: I must confess I have never witnessed that.

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[Zelot]

Junkers are not outright unlawful, name one other pirate faction that may dock on lawful planets? Hell I have a Bounty Hunter too, it's not like I am short of targets.

OMG can't belive I forgot, the Farmers Alliance are allowed to land on Kusari planets, as are Hogosha, both are technicly Pirate groups.



Spear, spend some time sitting outside Roppongi, it's neat, often you get to see Kusari BS patrols bombarding the station.

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[Spear]

OMG can't belive I forgot, the Farmers Alliance are allowed to land on Kusari planets, as are Hogosha, both are technicly Pirate groups.



Spear, spend some time sitting outside Roppongi, it's neat, often you get to see Kusari BS patrols bombarding the station.

All that come as a suprise to me, I really dont goto Kusari much. I dont like the look of the ships to be honest. However that still does not change my view of the Junkers as a faction that walks a fine line. Again we have reached a stalemate I think. I and others hold one view, you and others have another, thats all good, without a final decison from the admins we are at a point where we are just butting heads.

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[worldstrider]

All that come as a suprise to me, I really dont goto Kusari much. I dont like the look of the ships to be honest. However that still does not change my view of the Junkers as a faction that walks a fine line. Again we have reached a stalemate I think. I and others hold one view, you and others have another, thats all good, without a final decison from the admins we are at a point where we are just butting heads.

Its pretty clear from the Hogosha and Junker faction information that they are "special" classes being--as the Hogosha ID puts it "quasi-lawful" unlawfuls. It's what makes them fun to play and their RP hard..for some..to understand.

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[Zelot]

Its pretty clear from the Hogosha and Junker faction information that they are "special" classes being--as the Hogosha ID puts it "quasi-lawful" unlawfuls. It's what makes them fun to play and their RP hard..for some..to understand.

I understand what you are saying, but the Hogosha and Junkers are not special. GC dock on IC bases, FA dock on Kusari bases, but the fact remains that we are all unlawful. All this arguing really comes does to this;

6.15 Owners of Bounty Hunter/Mercenary/Freelancer IDs have a right to attack:

- Pirates
- Traders ships carrying smuggled goods and refusing to drop them
- (not for FL ID) Lawful and unlawful players with a bounty on their heads

Where it says pirates does that include Junkers. In-rp yes I agree that most Junkers are not into pirating, (but some are) but this is not a question of RP, this is a question of the rules, and the fact that the Junkers have the same ID specifications as any other unlawful/pirate group in Sirius, in my mind says that Igiss wanted Junkers have the same restrictions as pirates, which include being engaged by Bounty Hunters.

It's what makes them fun to play and their RP hard..for some..to understand.

You snide comment aside, if you look to my sig you will see that I started a faction that has a very complex RP, Fence sitting in Kusari, much like the Junkers, the AFA have close relationships with both Lawful and un-lawful factions, which is one of the reasons I work so hard to keep Bounty Hunters out of Kusari. I know that even though the Kusari authorities regard the AFA as a "quasi-legal" organization, that does not stop Bounty Hunters from attacking. I have spent alot of time educating the community on our RP, and have worked hard to get people to understand it, and the most important thing that I have come to learn in that process is that you are going to run into people who play this game on a very surface level, ie, "The info card says our factions are hostile, so I am going to blow you up" and they dont care much about your (or my for that matter) RP. You are not going to get them to buy into your RP, and thats ok, because as long as they are playing by the rules, they dont really have to. In the end, your RP is for you, and if other people dont get it, they dont get it, but as long as they play by the rules, (I at least) don't worry about it.



That being said, I understand your arguments, and I see what your are saying in RP terms, but as I said that doesnt really matter as this is a discussion of the rules. Finally for all of you who seem to be saying I am biased or not listening to what other people are saying, you have it upside-down, I have listened to everything that has been said, there are points I agree with and points I disagree with, but none of you (except spear) see to want to hear a thing I have to say, I have given you many good argument from the standpoint of the rules to show that this Bounty Hunter fellow didnt break them, none of you have said anything to tell me why, in a rules sense, not an RP sense as to why Junkers are different, again by the rules of the game, NOT from an RP standpoint.

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