' Wrote:Simply agreed... And yeah Corsairs/Order have the biggest problem with them... cause they love to make groups of big ships and kill everything that undocks from Crete/Toledo... Its great feeling when you undock and even before you see scanners, you are already dead, reading " Lol pwned rofl ". And since they have no bases there, they camp at Freeports...that REALLY makes us Zoners dying from happyness (-STRONG irony detected-). They even shoot Zoners NPCs and player as well when he is so arrogant to say them something about no-fire-zone.
I feel sorry for BHGs that are actually fine and rp... but the faction have so much BAD players that theese "good people" are just shadows somewhere behind... Everyone knows they exist, but noone actually seen them.
Well I was going to say this....
Quote:I could say that about a lot of factions on the server, corsairs included.
Let's stick with dealing with how players interact with other players before we start listing all the other problems: anyone with a zoner IFF has shot up BH npc's or a BH depot. Frankly I think basing your interaction with someone on "captured pilots" is pretty unimaginative. Doesn't mean I haven't done it, but it's not the be all and end all.
This is a problem that crops up again and again - because the BHG capships are cheap, powerful and the id permits anyone choosing it to interpret it freely as a license to kill EVERY criminal in all Sirius.
And I have to read the same generalisations about BHG players every time this problem is here.
Bear in mind though, that the lawful police factions are the most underrepresented groups on the server and the military factions can be pretty inactive compared to all the pirates out there. There is a vacuum there and it's being filled.
Order players complain about BH killing them. This is hard to grasp. Guild Core are at war with the Order. Maybe the fact the Order might actually be losing a war never really seems to have dawned on people. Most of the frustration is oorp complaints about BHers being in the wrong system or being capwhores.
Solution: organise yourselves and get a few bombers. If I thought we could have a regular event then I'd say go for it, but where is the Order leadership and why aren't they the ones objecting to BHG incursions with the same vigour with which they asserted control over their capital ships against other Order players in the past?
Corsairs complain about the BH raids on Gamma. This complaint is understandable; dock killing and attacking a planet is pretty, as Megiddo put it, cheesy. But deal with the individuals on an individual basis, just as we dealt with New London orbit camping corsair idiots on an individual basis without lambasting every corsair player out there.
Bear in mind: any BHG player attempting to get to the Omicrons has to go through Gamma. Other player factions have made this situation what it is as well. Add all that to the ID and the ship cost and you have headaches for Corsairs.
What are the solutions? Fix the price, the system map and parts of the ID. More importantly fill the vacuum that allows these idiots to exist.
Factions are not going to solve this one for now, nor should they have to. Anyway, generally speaking, with the BHG id, I don't believe the BHG factions are reputed well enough to be able to dictate to indy players how a BHG should be played.
And I will be sending every fighter we have to Order space to pwnzor you order newbs lulz. Prepare to DIE!
Double post idiocy. How about a regular Order versus BHG event? Corsairs and LN as reinforcements if numbers are down. Would attract people and we could direct them to the forum and try to establish some conventions.
Just something regarding BH cap spams, they cant all possibly be stupid, surely? I admit, at first I traded, bought a Bretonian destroyer, it was fun, but i soon realised that the restrictions involved in a Cap ship, and the fact you live or die within 5-10minutes, I soon swapped to a VHF, which is much harder to pilot, but much easier to survive in, you can pretty much dodge anything long after the battle is lost, due to the no cruise in combat rule (thrust away). a lot of fighter pilots are quite horrible, i was at first too, problem being is they dont get much mentoring to be successful, the cause of this is the fact they do not join factions.
the problem is, they dont want to join factions, why? i dont know, but its a problem, they dont realise the game opens up once you become skilled as a fighter pilot, or bomber pilot. a big problem is the MMO mentality, that the more expensive and big something is, the more you must strive for it, but this isnt an MMO, fighter pilots arent "noobs" its fact, that they're the best pilots in the game, and most experienced.
Ive been called a "noob" by a rather smart chap in a dragon cruiser, because i was "too poor to buy a cruiser" which was entirely untrue, i explained i already had a destroyer, but fighters were much more fun.
(though i started it when i mentioned that two mortars, a forward gun, two razors and 3 missiles might not be the most flexable setup for a cruiser, he was in alpha, and a MNS Battleship evicted him, though his weapon setup did sting the battleship, funnily enough).
There needs to be some healthy encouragement to get these cap-whores into factions where fighter/bomber is encouraged, its possible, it happend with me, and its happend before with others im sure, if they want to be a hunter still, the cruiser can be kept in reserve.
ugh, we HAVE bombers! The only thing I can see is to spam Osiris's and that's what I'm considering doing! I don't want to but one of the most hated things to do in Disco might be the only thing to do. And then the Order wouldn't be following it's RP either.
The fact is that the Nomad war is OVER people. We're trying to come to friendlier terms with Liberty and the Bounty Hunters shouldn't even be as big as they are. It's just getting ridiculous and if any BH can RP you'd see that there's no need for these huge ships as no one seems to need BH anymore. In RP you should just loose your job cause no one is paying you and go join a house navy...
' Wrote:ugh, we HAVE bombers! The only thing I can see is to spam Osiris's and that's what I'm considering doing! I don't want to but one of the most hated things to do in Disco might be the only thing to do. And then the Order wouldn't be following it's RP either.
The fact is that the Nomad war is OVER people. We're trying to come to friendlier terms with Liberty and the Bounty Hunters shouldn't even be as big as they are. It's just getting ridiculous and if any BH can RP you'd see that there's no need for these huge ships as no one seems to need BH anymore. In RP you should just loose your job cause no one is paying you and go join a house navy...
yes, I'm upset, bite me.
Well the Nomad War being over would mean that the Order would no longer serve any purpose either. So what are we here arguing about? Let's all join the Liberty Navy.
You're proposing an end to the BH cap ships and you're essentially deciding that the story that has been tied into the game since the last version should end because it doesn't suit you. Others might think differently. I would guess that the Nomad aspect of the storyline is far from finished, unless the new House being introduced radically re-shapes diplomacy in the game.
I think the problems surrounding the BHG and capships have NOTHING to do with RP. Idiots are abusing the ships and ID to kill everything around them. Fix the ship prices and change the ID a little and the problem goes. Not every BHG player wants to see the potential for developing the Guild's storyline vanish because some players think that RP doesn't stretch any further than killing anything red on your scanner.
Well but really removing BHG capship is reall, really bad idea... They are supposed to have them, and the capwhores will just move to another factions.... And thats what Ive said once here already. BHG is not "Noob, bad, stupid...etc" factions like ppls write a lot, its just about a LOT of bad/new players are in it cause they see it and " Hey I can kill all pirates, have nice,big and not-so-expensive ship and I can go everywhere!"And theese are the types who camp around planets, kill anyone who is red for them, violate rules of houses and make problems in general.
I have told it already, I feel bad for those fine who play Bh seriously, cause those idiots, lolers, pwnzors and others are making the life hard for them, its just their work that BHs are banned from half of Sirius, and counted as OORP faction.
Saying that BHG is bad or stripping them of ship will not solve anything and would be greatly unfair to those (Sadly few... I dont know much out of factions) people who play and RP BHG characters seriously. And I agree with post of Athenian up there.
EDIT: But yeah...I have to admit that if we look on BHG faction like whole Indies+factions, everyone using the ID+Tag... Man...Thats terrible...The strange people made it all go wrong, ships what are considered rare are everywhere, those which should be common are nowhere to find... Organisation of Whole guild? None. Traditions? Wutz dat? Rules? U red u die.
Problem is , even very good player faction cant compensate that, no matter what they do.
Second problem is, how to fix it.
Third is, When they leave BHG when 2. problem is fixed, they will just jump to another faction...And I fear that would be Zoner/Junker factions ...and since Im playing Zoners and Junkers I dont really love that idea.
EDIT2: Sorry for the mistypes, I have no more power to fix them. *Falls asleep on the desk*
I buy things I don't want to make an impression on people I don't like.
In next version BH caps will be limited to Omegas/Omicrons only.
Removing BH caps is the stupidest thing i ever heard.
There are no BH fighters because of NPC Corsair Titans(we started caling em supermans) that 1 has same
hull like 3 BH Mantas and they do damage like some bloody gunboat. 4 of them will strip BB of it's shield in
a min or so. In my opinion they should get nerfed to 1/5 of what they are now, so they are like all other
NPC VHFs.
Also if The Guild Core becomes official faction we will do what most other factions have done, decimate non
RP lollwuting cap whores that fly BBs/BCs. Normal RP players will, of course, be left alone.
' Wrote:In next version BH caps will be limited to Omegas/Omicrons only.
Removing BH caps is the stupidest thing i ever heard.
There are no BH fighters because of NPC Corsair Titans(we started caling em supermans) that 1 has same
hull like 3 BH Mantas and they do damage like some bloody gunboat. 4 of them will strip BB of it's shield in
a min or so. In my opinion they should get nerfed to 1/5 of what they are now, so they are like all other
NPC VHFs.
Also if The Guild Core becomes official faction we will do what most other factions have done, decimate non
RP lollwuting cap whores that fly BBs/BCs. Normal RP players will, of course, be left alone.
Yeeah, NPC titans are little crazy, 5-6 of them can take out even cruiser...which other (most of) NPC are not even able to damage.
And the second part... Imagine it... Capships only to licensed/read like good/ players... Ah so nice ...dream...? But I wonder if we strip those indie BHG of theire BCs, what faction will get that cancer next... I would rather die than see my Beloved Junkers/Zoners crowded with those... We have a lot of powertraders pretending to be one of us already.
I buy things I don't want to make an impression on people I don't like.
' Wrote:I prefer to have less player that only plays to get the biggest gun available than having a large server populated by people disrupting the roleplay environment we try to create.
perhaps one of the reason I couldn't stand playing more than 3 weeks of WoW before getting bored...