Balthazar, Mon'Star didn't post his request for Terrorist ID.
He posted a request for unusual setup. He already has a Terrorist ID which has absolutely nothing to do with this thread or 'Special RP characters' subforum.
So don't mix things, please. And stick to the subject.
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It is every Corsair's responsibility to die a beautiful death in defense of Crete, regardless of how OORP or how capwhoring the opposition is. Launch your fighter, joust the battlecruisers and die a beautiful death. Then, drink it down in the bar.
Discovery Community has always been reputed for an high end RP standard. You have a huge database of players RPing any kind of characters according to the preset NPC factions they are affiliated with. However, some players always have the desire to innovate and go into an undiscovered zone of RP. Some kind of exotic Role play can we say. Yet, in the past, most of them were able to RP their ships without any major issues. In the late days, it has been quite noticeable that some players have abused the leeway that the system was giving. Thus, the community as well as the admin worked to create a new system where RP would be reviewed and criticized. However, right now the problem is that the system, while being quite young, is still crude and underdeveloped. Many solutions could be applied to improve the new instated system, such as asking for a sum of money to get the request considered, a system letting players post positive feedback and a more detailed response from the voters (whether admins or players).
Asking for a precise sum of money to have the request for special RP considered would be a very good first step to improve the current deficient system. Such concept, if applied, would have the sole purpose to filter willing RPers, and simple PVP orientated players. Reasons are as follow, a person that desire a ship solely for RP and originality will pay the sum asked for submission of the RP if (s)he consider that his/her story is worth it. Whilst others that may just maybe want an easy to go RP just to claim a ship might get discouraged to make a request and pay a sum. The money requirements could be as follow:
15 millions for a special RP involving a fighter (bombers included) or a transport*
50 millions for a special RP involving a Gunship or a Gunboat*
100 millions for a special RP involving a Cruiser, a destroyer or a battle cruiser*
200 millions for a special RP involving a Battleship, a Dreadnought or a Juggernaut*
Therefore, such idea would reduce the load of applications to read and consider, and allow more feedback to the RP stories that need one. Positive feedback would also help to the situation.
In Conjunction with the precedent idea, allowing good feedback would help to give more chances to the applicant to see his RP getting accepted. Due to the fact that some players willing to RP in an unusual may be still new around, they should not be ignored nor wrongfully treated by any other members if they are still respecting the rules. They are to be trusted. This is where the concept of positive feedback is important, any player, to get his/her RP accepted must primarily be trusted by the reviewers. While some players may be not known to others, they are still subject to be rejected because of that (the “You haven’t been here long enough” sickness). However, if a more known, trusted and respected member knows him well, he (known player) should post in the topic to indicate other reviewers that the player can be trusted. Of course, if the supporter of the RP has no reputation either, is will not change the situation of the applicant. Allowing positive feedback to be posted will also make the RP request tread more positive and may reduce the tendency of some members to bash the player around just because others are doing so (“The wannabee” syndrome). Positive feedback is vital to get an RP considered, trusted, and accepted by the community and the administrative members. Giving a deeper explanation when rejecting a submission is also extremely important.
Giving a sufficiently detailed reason for a refusal of a player submission is an extremely important point since they sole purpose of feedback is to direct the player in the good path to improve himself/herself. If the player has no clue on how to improve his/her proposal and see himself/herself getting refused (s)he will, consequently, be frustrated about it. Giving an ample feedback, whether positive or negative is relevant to the tread and will benefit the player. The idea is that replies of less than two line should be ignored by all reviewers and the submitter, since most of the time, such posts are not needed nor giving any useful tips to the applicant therefore frustrating him/her. On the same note, replies that are whether aggressive or negatively exaggerated should also be ignored or deleted (the “I love to extrapolate and whine” syndrome). Giving detailed feedback is vital to a better in-forum and in-game environment, and will contribute to the development of the player’s RP and to the fairness of the system.
To finish on the idea, the special RP system, whilst being crude can still be improved by instating submission fees, allowing positive feedback and forcing all members of the forums to post more detailed replies. To improve the system, Discovery will need the cooperation of everyone. Players that are considered having a personal agenda or too “Me, myself, and I” should be totally ignore and not even bothered to respond to.
PS: Note about statements marked by an "*" : please note that those numbers are simply mere examples of the concept and are to be altered*
This is Feedback and opinion.
Although, it takes a while to type especially when I’m not English native (French)
This is a letter I wrote to Igiss. only my writeing is here and I only link other post in this forum which is common practice and allowed. I have checked all rules and unless one was made in the last two minutes I am breaking none. I suggest you copy and paste parts of the descussion to a word file in case admin make this disappear too so there will be record and Igiss can get it. Igiss needs to know and we need to know what he thinks about this.
LETTER TO IGISS
See how others are concerned by thier actions and how they single out some for acceptance and some for denial. They still havent told me why. Many believe the system put in place is only a puppet system and is in fact a joke. The admin do not seem to be following the guide lines you have set and its not just one unrully mad playuer theres more than just me.
I love it here and have many friends here that I see only in Freelancer but this favortism or at the VERY least lack of transpaency is bad for us all. Please advise us. Do something, please the admin have either missed the point of thier job or we have not recieved the true purpose of the special RP thread by the post published.
Chopper's post is most active and civil you can reach us all there, or me via PMs.
Igiss bless you for this post....hope he has a good look on it.
Quote:Discovery Community has always been reputed for an high end RP standard. You have a huge database of players RPing any kind of characters according to the preset NPC factions they are affiliated with. However, some players always have the desire to innovate and go into an undiscovered zone of RP. Some kind of exotic Role play can we say. Yet, in the past, most of them were able to RP their ships without any major issues. In the late days, it has been quite noticeable that some players have abused the leeway that the system was giving. Thus, the community as well as the admin worked to create a new system where RP would be reviewed and criticized. However, right now the problem is that the system, while being quite young, is still crude and underdeveloped. Many solutions could be applied to improve the new instated system, such as asking for a sum of money to get the request considered, a system letting players post positive feedback and a more detailed response from the voters (whether admins or players).
Asking for a precise sum of money to have the request for special RP considered would be a very good first step to improve the current deficient system. Such concept, if applied, would have the sole purpose to filter willing RPers, and simple PVP orientated players. Reasons are as follow, a person that desire a ship solely for RP and originality will pay the sum asked for submission of the RP if (s)he consider that his/her story is worth it. Whilst others that may just maybe want an easy to go RP just to claim a ship might get discouraged to make a request and pay a sum. The money requirements could be as follow:
* 15 millions for a special RP involving a fighter (bombers included) or a transport*
* 50 millions for a special RP involving a Gunship or a Gunboat*
* 100 millions for a special RP involving a Cruiser, a destroyer or a battle cruiser*
* 200 millions for a special RP involving a Battleship, a Dreadnought or a Juggernaut*
Therefore, such idea would reduce the load of applications to read and consider, and allow more feedback to the RP stories that need one. Positive feedback would also help to the situation.
In Conjunction with the precedent idea, allowing good feedback would help to give more chances to the applicant to see his RP getting accepted. Due to the fact that some players willing to RP in an unusual may be still new around, they should not be ignored nor wrongfully treated by any other members if they are still respecting the rules. They are to be trusted. This is where the concept of positive feedback is important, any player, to get his/her RP accepted must primarily be trusted by the reviewers. While some players may be not known to others, they are still subject to be rejected because of that (the You havent been here long enough sickness). However, if a more known, trusted and respected member knows him well, he (known player) should post in the topic to indicate other reviewers that the player can be trusted. Of course, if the supporter of the RP has no reputation either, is will not change the situation of the applicant. Allowing positive feedback to be posted will also make the RP request tread more positive and may reduce the tendency of some members to bash the player around just because others are doing so (The wannabee syndrome). Positive feedback is vital to get an RP considered, trusted, and accepted by the community and the administrative members. Giving a deeper explanation when rejecting a submission is also extremely important.
Giving a sufficiently detailed reason for a refusal of a player submission is an extremely important point since they sole purpose of feedback is to direct the player in the good path to improve himself/herself. If the player has no clue on how to improve his/her proposal and see himself/herself getting refused (s)he will, consequently, be frustrated about it. Giving an ample feedback, whether positive or negative is relevant to the tread and will benefit the player. The idea is that replies of less than two line should be ignored by all reviewers and the submitter, since most of the time, such posts are not needed nor giving any useful tips to the applicant therefore frustrating him/her. On the same note, replies that are whether aggressive or negatively exaggerated should also be ignored or deleted (the I love to extrapolate and whine syndrome). Giving detailed feedback is vital to a better in-forum and in-game environment, and will contribute to the development of the players RP and to the fairness of the system.
To finish on the idea, the special RP system, whilst being crude can still be improved by instating submission fees, allowing positive feedback and forcing all members of the forums to post more detailed replies. To improve the system, Discovery will need the cooperation of everyone. Players that are considered having a personal agenda or too Me, myself, and I should be totally ignore and not even bothered to respond to.
PS: Note about statements marked by an "*" : please note that those numbers are simply mere examples of the concept and are to be altered*
This is Feedback and opinion.
Although, it takes a while to type especially when Im not English native (French)
On the basis that the subject here is Mariko Kietan, this is a case of mis-understanding. For this, I on behalf of the admin team, apologize.
Jes' comment, a decision made by four administrators, was made under the assumption that some time during the past year, the character in question had lost the Snubnose in a fight. In other words, died. In that year, Rheinland has significantly tightened up on security, and it would be rather difficult to get away with another such craft to constantly replace the one in use.
-HOWEVER-, since there is a good RP story for this craft and, although we don't have an answer yet and will have to verify and trust Sonja in this matter, it has not fallen to enemy guns yet, there is a likely chance the ship will be allowed to remain.
Heck, at this point I'm even discussing throwing out the previous year of possession and making a "from this point forward" declaration regarding the craft. As-in, should the ship be destroyed in combat from this point forward, you'll have to get another one. Another one being any one of the bombers currently on market, such as the bounty hunter bomber, civilian bomber, or, due to Kusari ties, even the kusari bomber with some dealing with the KNF.
This is the real true story of rock and roll; it was not about anything more then, how to live your life, as a gangster, in sartorial splendor, and turning the world into a place where normality would never return again...- Malcolm McLaren
The larger issue is being swept under the rug here. Since I have been here I have personally seen the appearance of admin bias in many things. Even if they rectify this one situation but do nothing else to add some transparency to the process, the admins will continue to appear to be acting with bias and perhaps personal motives.
Lets add some transparency to the admins processes as they are applied to groups of players, for the good of the server. What's there to be afraid of with that?
' Wrote:On the basis that the subject here is Mariko Kietan, this is a case of mis-understanding. For this, I on behalf of the admin team, apologize.
Jes' comment, a decision made by four administrators, was made under the assumption that some time during the past year, the character in question had lost the Snubnose in a fight. In other words, died. In that year, Rheinland has significantly tightened up on security, and it would be rather difficult to get away with another such craft to constantly replace the one in use.
-HOWEVER-, since there is a good RP story for this craft and, although we don't have an answer yet and will have to verify and trust Sonja in this matter, it has not fallen to enemy guns yet, there is a likely chance the ship will be allowed to remain.
Heck, at this point I'm even discussing throwing out the previous year of possession and making a "from this point forward" declaration regarding the craft. As-in, should the ship be destroyed in combat from this point forward, you'll have to get another one. Another one being any one of the bombers currently on market, such as the bounty hunter bomber, civilian bomber, or, due to Kusari ties, even the kusari bomber with some dealing with the KNF.
Thank you Kane for that explanation about the snubnose ship.
Also thank you for the apology on behalf of the Admin team. It really does go along way.
Would it be in order for "Mariko Kietan" to reply?
Sovereign Wrote:Seek fun and you shall find it. Seek stuff to Q_Q about and you'll find that, too. I choose to have fun.
Look at this one. It was 2 minutes old when it was responded to and probally not even read before it was locked. Why is transparancy so feared by admin?
We all know why. If I had permission to openly post PM's and compare them to what an admin said publically, I could show that admins are less than truthful, saying one thing for the sake of appearances and another in private.
I imagine you could as well.
Transparency will, in the short term, hurt admin credibility. I think everyone here knows that's true, but in the long run admins who have enough respect for the players to show the same face publicly as they do privately will only help the server.
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