QUOTE(Satori @ Oct 9 2008, 03:47 PM)
Any Indy pilot who cant RP as an Order Pilot upholding the codes and ethics of the Order isnt one! Simple as that.
QUOTE(Akumabito @ Oct 9 2008, 10:58 AM)
What does that make an order pilot who fires on friendlies for oorp reasons?
You yourself said it!
I will continue to enjoy destroying your ship, long after you have grown tired of it.
Satori
@Satori: you really should not. - base your pvp on roleplay, not on antagonism on the forum. - if he acts out of roleplay for the NPC parent faction, you may destroy him, if he does not, you are in violation of the rules for being ooRP indeed.
and thats sort of the point. - those that are roleplaying as is expected from them as part of the order ( not the Bs| ... but the NPC faction "order" ) should not be bullied around as they develope and evolve their roleplay within the set limitations - set by the lore of the game, not the players in the first place.
the enviroment can change - and that change comes from the players indeed... but the statis lore of a faction always prevails and always has priority before any player lore. ( as was said about peace and forcing peace between order and liberty )
one gotto be very cautious about who to accuse for being wrong or right. - so quickly it can happen that you might find yourself on the "wrong" side all of the sudden... and it would be hard to be beaten by your own arguments one day. or in short "I will continue to enjoy destroying your ship, long after you have grown tired of it." will not help the cause to set up a more organized structure within the order as a playerfaction and a NPC faction. it will only entice the dislike of what is suggested.
Quote:No, black squadron went insane (or got infected more likely) and started shooting up other order members.
Sad, but not much can be done about it now, unless Bs| is willing to turn themselves over to the order department of nomad removal and be cleansed so they no longer attack their own... Until then all true order will avoid them and of course disregard orders from nomad infected buddy killers.
And now you're powergaming - trying to force an unorthodox RP on an entire official faction plus independents who follow them just because you have a grudge against them trying to control the oorp capwhores that started showing up.
Use your ****ing head akumabito. Black squadron has controlled the order and both of it's primary systems for what, over a year now? You're not going to be allowed to come along and change it just because you've got a personal vendetta against all factions.
Quote:Now for my question: If the Corsairs and Outcasts can contain multiple player factions, why can't the Order?
Corsairs, outcasts, etc. are all nearly house-sized groups, with several occupied planets and stations. The order is a single fleet that broke away from liberty during the nomad war to stop the nomad threat, it isnt nearly as large an organization as most other factions in the game.
Quote:Bsl could be a type of, well, squadron with a paticular agenda within the Order. That would leave room for another faction to develop slightly different style of Order rp to the benefit of both factions.
Simply put, there isnt room for anyone else. Black squadron has kept things running smoothly in the order for a long time now, and there's no reason to budge in another faction that will do nothing but cause trouble.
Quote:If the server will accommodate multiple order factions then the rp can as well. Certainly there's no reason in the spirit of fun gameplay to say that everyone who wants to play an order character has to either join the Bs| or be under the control of the Bs| even though they never joined it and personally and RP wise disagree with the direction the Bs| has gone.
If they've got a problem with it they can find another faction. Simple as that.
We dont want the order to turn into another liberty navy with OORP LNS people running around in unaccounted for capships causing nothing but trouble on the server. The same can be said for multiple other official and nonofficial faction relations, particularly within the outcasts and corsairs. Both of them have become cesspits of OORP behavior because people dont want to listen to the established official groups and everyone wants to run things their own way.
I'm sorry, but if force is needed to keep the order clean, we'll use it. Once again, you have never had an order character here, and have never tried to run your own faction - you dont know what you're talking about, and you had no business coming into this thread in the first place.
Quote:Any Indy pilot who cant RP as an Order Pilot upholding the codes and ethics of the Order isnt one! Simple as that.
Exactly.
Quote:What does that make an order pilot who fires on friendlies for oorp reasons?
Faction police. If you or others do not follow the rules of the affiliation, and the faction which has been officially approved to regulate it, then the only choice they are left with is to blast you until you leave the group.
Quote:if he acts out of roleplay for the NPC parent faction, you may destroy him, if he does not, you are in violation of the rules for being ooRP indeed.
Unless he decides to come into omicron 100, in which case we can kill him for no reason as long as we have the support of black squadron's leaders. If he tries to start an anti-bs faction, he and his members will never get into omicron 100 alive, and thus will never be able to buy order guard id's or capships. Lets see how long his rebellion lasts when he doesnt have the firepower to fight it.
oh, and if this rebellion group decides to go cause trouble in liberty, they ARE acting oorp for the parent faction, which gives us reason to destroy them in-RP - they've endangered civilians and acted against the standard behavior of the order.
"Unless he decides to come into omicron 100, in which case we can kill him for no reason as long as we have the support of black squadron's leaders."
yes, you can .... umm... kill him for "no reason" as long as approved. - but i daresay its nither a very nice behaviour, nor does it shed a good light on whoever approves it. - there should really always be a reason, - a RP reason. if there is none, at least go through the troubles to make up one.
just cause you "can" doesn t mean you "should" do it.
sadly - that attitude is the reason why i changed my view from "placing valuable ships into guard systems" to "put them where everyone can get them". the attitude of "we can, and we ll show you" is gladly not executed much on the server, but its often .... demonstrated as a possiblity, a threat that looms over those that... "do not have such freedom" - from my point of view, its not very nice to wield such a "weapon" before the eyes of others. it does not close the gap between the players but widens it.
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from my RP point of view - every order IDed player is still regarded as an ally to the zoners and as such as a contact person when in trouble with nomads. - the ONLY advantage of the Bs| for that roleplay matter is - that i can identify them in the chatlist as opposed to some random player with a funny name that happens to be order IDed. - so, for me, there are the Bs and a handful of order players not joined in a faction that i simply know to be order. - i don t prefer any of them before the other - and all of them showed reasonable roleplay.
i do not approve or like fights within factions - unless its an officially called out "civil war" for the factions dominance ( which would be fun and could happen much more than it does atm ) - but random kills to prove a point is something i really don t like, thats pvp behaviour that has little to do with a believable roleplay.
in this case there is a reason, the group in question is attempting to declare the leaders of the order as nomad infected.
To use an analogy again - do you think the US military would give a soldier a tank without question if they knew his intent was to use it against the president?
That's why not only the ships, but also the players, need to be regulated by SOMEONE. yes, we could leave it to the admins, give them even more work to do that could instead be done by someone already in-game, i'm sure they'll love us for that.
There is already a system in place to make sure players of each affiliation behave in a manner that is appropriate for that affiliation - it's called official factions. I'm sorry but i've fallen in with the crowd that thinks indies need to start taking responsibility and they need to have some fear of reprisal when they do something stupid, without that there is absolutely nothing to keep them in line and you end up with groups like the bounty hunters - fleets of battlecruisers and battleships raping everyone they come across for no reason other than the lulz.
I've had an order character for 6 months now, and i'll be damned if i'm going to let some group of scrubs come along and screw up everything I've worked for just because they've got a grudge against making this server a better place.
i never had the ambition to "make the server a better place" - i m quite happy with what it is. the question is - if things were not going the way you d like it to go... would you resist or would you fight for it.
i don t like RL analogies, especially military ones, for the simple reason that i have no idea of how a military works today. - but lets take my own char. - i have played the char for over 1.5 years. - not extensivly - and mostly passivly. i don t do "special RP" cause i think that RPing what the NPC faction is about is rich enough of chances and possibilities.
if the [TAZ] suddenly decided that they are not just a bunch of funny people, but actually the entire zoner faction - and they felt like asking me to write up 2 pages of RP, i d either write them..... or simply leave. - someone that is more interested in staying would take the third option.... and fight.
what i am concerned about is not the odd player that declares the Bs leadership to be nomad controlled. - what i m interested in is the player that roleplays just as is expected from the order ... BUT refuses point blank to justify himself.
he has little business with the Bs maybe and mainly does his own thing. - he does not go to liberty to blow up some players, nor does he seek unfair fights. - yet.... he does not write up anything. - his char is as average as a NPC order battleship captain, as colourful and as original. a bad player? - sure, one can demand him to write up some lines - as is only natural.... but what if this person asked someone in the faction to "write him up a few lines" or he d start to ... dislike him.
turn it all around to look at it from the other way, too. - you say... "unthinkable - why should a non factionized player demand a faction player to justify his ship?!"
anyways - i don t think its a bad idea... i just like to point out that its no reason to pvp those that do not wish to play the same way. - exclude them from events, exclude them from fights ... when there is a major fight going... don t ask them to join. - leave them be... thats fine... ignore them.... but activly seek them out and fight them?
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it might sound like i don t approve the restrictions. - but thats not the case. i do think they are OK - and they offer up a good reason for communication between the faction and the non factionized players. - a roleplayed restriction is great. - but what i don t like is when it turns into something mandatory without much of a RP opportunity in the end. if someone refuses to enlist ... roleplay him to make him register. tell him about the advantages ( instead of telling him that you ll blow him up if he doesn t want to do it ) - keep it in your role as a superior officer... give him the opportunity to roleplay his way through.
a lot of players need a nudge into the direction. - if pushed too hard, they go defensive. so, push a little with your roleplay and just a little with ooRP reasons why it is beneficial for ALL. build such a rule so that everyone benefits from it.
and always accept if a player roleplays (<-- ) that he does not want to register for his own reasons. there might be many - some may be better, others may be worse. - but no one is to judge whats good and bad.
i think a really good example is indeed hte zoner council. - there is no punishment of death for those that do not like to register. - but there is opportunity to participate. no one would ever say to pvp someone that does refuse to register - and players have been roleplaying in the council. - no stories were asked for, but stories came by itself. - characters came up into the council with their own personalities and their own agendas. - it doesn not work for all, but for some. - mind, it works, and it never caused any trouble among any group of players. - a fully voluntary measure - yet players like to be part of it, cause they can participate in decisions and voice their opinions.
How do the "Binary" fit into the future "plans" of the Black Squadron?
off topic:
Yes i know we havent been in-game alot lately... Been playing Everquest, much less stressfull and alot more fun... I find it hilarious that there is less RP on an MMORPG game than there is in an Action/Shooter game...
I think thats where the BIGGEST part of the problems are with this mod/server... Trying to implement uber rp in an action game... Its much like trying to RP within Duke Nukem Deathmatch or Unreal Tournament or something, it simply wont work well enough to make everyone happy... Slower typed out RP directly conflicts with the Faster Action/Shooter style mechanics of the game... Some players want to fly, shoot, gun, and run... Others want to sit, chat, rp, and talk... These two basic playing styles will always conflict and bump heads on this server.
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