Kuraine Wrote:And so far, none of the arguments presented for allowing the BHG standard ID to retain the usage of gunships and gunboats have been compelling enough to change my mind or the minds of other admins.
Here's what Kuraine said back in the old topic, and that was after all this cost effectiveness and efficiency stuff was ridden into the ground (a lot of it was me, apologies, I have strong opinions).
You're going to have to PM him if you want some solid input about the allowment. As it stands, it's not being discussed anymore in the ID thread, and the admins are still against it.
' Wrote:I'm sorry if I was a bit blunt here but these anti-BHG things all came at once, and coincided with us getting official status and kind of rained on our parade (however short lived it was).
Having gone through such close scrutiny to get status and to now have several threads like this, and angelfire's one, popping up along with the merc/bhg id thing - well, it just kind of grates.
The gunship thing is being sorted in the i.d. thread.
All I want is parity of treatment.
Having said all of that, you folks all have genuine grievances about the abuse of the BHG id, so let's see what we can all do about it.
As a general rule, factionalized Bounty Hunters know what they're doing. Organizations like S/D are far from the problem. I like you guys even when playing my Hacker.
It's the ones that treat the BHG ID like a terrorist license to camp pirate bases/planets, and bring in multiple battleships to hunt a solitary bomber. Sadly, the faction's reputation is being dragged through the mud like the Liberty Navy's, for very much the same reasons. Independents in capships throwing RP out the window and shooting everything red in sight.
Just earlier in New York we had an incident with two Indy BH Battleships shooting at a Hacker, using a bounty they would provide no evidence of actually existing as an excuse. They ignored all warnings from the [LN] and an admin had to step in and scream at them before they stopped.
As a member of another faction that just got their official designation, congratulations on making it. No one is thinking of you or any members of the S/D when we grumble about BH capwhoring. Though thanks to your stellar roleplay and now-official designation, we may look to you to set the example. And possibly police the indys if you're up for it.
(Nobody's expecting you to. Relax.)
(End note: If this new ruling and upcoming ID change actually curbs the Indy-Hunter-shooting-everything-at-Yanagi problem, I'm going to have a lot less to do on my Junker Guard character in the near future. Boo. )
Personally I don't see what the problem with the Gunboats and stuff being in the core systems. I don't even have a problem with the cruisers, those can be taken out too with a little acuity.
Perhaps the BHG player faction should take steps to restrict their capital ships in-RP, such as the Rhienland Military and 101st have done with theirs. That way there wouldn't be so many indies running amok in their big ships.
' Wrote:Personally I don't see what the problem with the Gunboats and stuff being in the core systems. I don't even have a problem with the cruisers, those can be taken out too with a little acuity. Perhaps the BHG player faction should take steps to restrict their capital ships in-RP, such as the Rhienland Military and 101st have done with theirs. That way there wouldn't be so many indies running amok in their big ships.
Why do people keep thinking this is a possibility?
How many threads have there been already concerning Tagged factions versus Independents?
Wasn't the final concensus that Tagged factions have NO RIGHT to dictate to Independents how they operate unless they are out of roleplay? If this has changed then fine but I seriously doubt that the people who chose BH as an id just so they can pvpwhore do not and will not care what any of the tagged factions have to say. There is a registration thread already in place for bounty hunters, has it lessened the pvpwhoring?
Again, the pvpwhores do not and will not visit the forum because they are not here for RP.
There are a lot of independents that play their roles very well. Problem is that there are more that do not and so far no steps have been taken to correct the problem. Why, because the ones that do RP correctly would be affected and that causes an upset. Restricting the capitals to the outer systems will not solve the problem, only relocate it.
How about this, the registration process should be an application process of a sort.
Once approved the Independent adds [BH-I] to his name to represent approval as an independent BH.
Though not an actual tagged faction it will show the ones that are reading the forum and the ones that do not.
It is not much and is not perfect, but I have not seen anyone provide any suggestions on how to correct the main problem without causing more harm then good as a whole.
The faction/indy registration debate could go on forever, and completely eclipse any relevant points that may happen here in this topic. Not to mention that, if Akuma sees it, all will be lost.
Let's steer completely clear of that subject. It really isn't on point anyways.
Trying to say something on topic here, @NightHawk: There's no way the BHG would use cruisers to fulfill bounties. They just cost way too much to maintain. That was already the argument I had against the GS, saying that it was too anti-cost-effective, but that's over now.
' Wrote:The faction/indy registration debate could go on forever, and completely eclipse any relevant points that may happen here in this topic. Not to mention that, if Akuma sees it, all will be lost.
Let's steer completely clear of that subject. It really isn't on point anyways.
Trying to say something on topic here, @NightHawk: There's no way the BHG would use cruisers to fulfill bounties. They just cost way too much to maintain. That was already the argument I had against the GS, saying that it was too anti-cost-effective, but that's over now.
No cruisers. No way. No how.:sleep:
Actually it is precisely the point. Several people are whining about independent BH and how they raid or attack without warning or reason. What is to be done about it? So far both my solutions have been either ignored or no constructive assistance been provided to solve the issue. It would seem that its not the BH that are declning a desire to take action, its the community that in itself prevents the BH guild from taking any action.
So again I will ask these simple questions.
1 - What do you expect the guild/player factons to do about the independents who are pvpwhoring?
2 - What is the guild/player factions permitted to do that will not result in a sanction against the ones that are trying to correct the issue?
Just want to say I totally agree with that, using a Cruiser for fulfilling bounties is ridiculous. It would cost way too much to use a ship of that size with a crew that large just for a bounty. Not that they can't do it if they happen to run into a criminal, but that would not be the purpose of a ship like that.
That same line of reasoning is why I think a GB/GS would be fine though. The Orca for example uses a crew of 4 if the view in the cockpit is correct. In my opinion a crew of 4 would almost be required, in fact a necessity, if you are going after hardened criminals with the intent of capturing them for a bounty.
Just want you to understand why I personally use an Orca. It goes along with my RP, and hopefully I am RP'ing it well. If not I apologize and will always take some criticism to fine tune it.
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