Right, we all seem to think that gunboats should be fighter-killers in Disco, but I'm not so sure.
In vanilla, all the gunboats had forward guns, which are designed to take out big ships. Liberty, not having gunboats, had forward guns on the crusiers instead.
The forward guns are used to take out stations, and larger vessels, giving the impression that gunboats take a similar role to bombers, actually, not as anti-fighter platforms.
Of course, this leaves one wondering what cruisers and battleships are for, the Liberty cruiser, with its giant gun being anti-cap, I imagine.
well - they re defined now. - as anti-fighter... i don t think the balance will budge from that. - GBs with F-guns will still be able to play an effective hybrid role in taking out capital ships, too - and so will other gunboats if they equip accordingly to that task.
but they won t be able to equip just primaries and be gtg vs. everything anymore. - GBs in 4.84 are very much allround vessels with little weakness. - we try to keep this to a certain extend, but the pilot will have to decide. - anti cap GBs ( no matter which ones ) will sacrifice a lot of anti fighter capacity - while pure antifighter GBs ( no, not missile boats ) will be better at that task than in 4.84 - but worse against capital ships ( but not as helpless as a missile boat ).
as it was already said - missile boats will be a relic of the past in 4.85, smaller gunships will be mostly anti-fighter due to the smaller number of turrets, larger gunboats like the corsair GB will be able to choose wh at they are about - while house gunboats with F-guns will be alright at both with little modifications.
Well, i always picture the role of the liberty cruiser as submarine wolfpack style, have like 3 go in and just main gun the enemy capital to death.
As for the gunboats, dont forget YES they had main guns, but they were meant to be agile enough to dodge capital fire, but at the same time couldent break the cruiser sheilding. its said in the mission you first face the RH gb's the cruisers couldent hit them , but the gb couldent get close due to the firepower of the cruisers.
' Wrote:In vanilla, all the gunboats had forward guns, which are designed to take out big ships. Liberty, not having gunboats, had forward guns on the crusiers instead.
My opinion actually revolves around that idea. Just like you said, all the gunboats had forward guns, making them more or less anti-capital craft, except for Liberty, which uses more powerful forward guns mounted on cruisers, hence their later developed gunboats would probably be anti-fighter.
In short, gunboats should be mostly anti-capital, with exceptions like the abovementioned Liberty gunboat.
no they arent because they weapons are in conparation to bomber unefective and every cruiser which isnt comanded by an idiot can take them down in 1 vs 1
I still think gunboats should have nova equal torpedo too
' Wrote:no they arent because they weapons are in conparation to bomber unefective and every cruiser which isnt comanded by an idiot can take them down in 1 vs 1
I still think gunboats should have nova equal torpedo too
Would be funny to see if a gunboat pilot could supernova a Very Heavy Fighter.
' Wrote:Right, we all seem to think that gunboats should be fighter-killers in Disco, but I'm not so sure.
' Wrote:well - they re defined now. - as anti-fighter...
I believe that they were not meant to be anti-fighter ships but I believe that gunboats such as the Bretonian Gunboat that has a forward gun is just characteristic of the Bretonians. It gives them that advantage when they fight against larger ships. A similar idea as proposed to in the "House specific ships" topic.
Walker - Freelancer SP Wrote:Our guns are too fast for those gunboats, we need you to take em out.
This shows that they were indeed made for this purpose by the designers of FL.
' Wrote:My opinion actually revolves around that idea. Just like you said, all the gunboats had forward guns, making them more or less anti-capital craft,
Not all gunboats. Such gunboats as the IMG gunboat and the Hacker Gunship don't have forward guns. (I see forward guns as such that can be mounted on Dragon GB's, Kusari GB's and Bretonian GB's to name a few) So some; i see; are specificaly designed to engage fighters, such as the IMG GB due to it's fast turn rate, large power plant and zero forward gun placements.
' Wrote:gunboats are enlarged bombers.
I disagree, they can i suppose. <strike>Enlarged bombers</strike> Gunboats are called gunboats because this is one of the things they do, they provide support for larger ships.
The way i see it's meant to be is this:-
Battleships kill Cruisers
Battleships kill Gunboats
Cruisers kill Battleships
Cruisers kill Bombers
Cruisers kill Fighters
Gunboats kill Battleships
Gunboats kill Cruisers
Gunboats kill Bombers
Bombers kill Battleships
Bombers kill Cruisers
Bombers kill Gunboats
Fighters kill Gunboats
Fighters kill Bombers
Fighters kill Fighters
I'm not saying that other occasions will occur when for example a Battleship kills a bomber, but all i'm saying is that's what they're designed for.
i know the Dunao, the Rheinland admirals flagship at the first, was the same model as our present Rheinland cruiser but why would an admiral not choose a battleship for a flagship?
perhaps they mentioned it as being a cruiser but that model doesn't show up anywhere else in SP to my knowledge.
reason i say this is that:
Liberty didn't have a GB but their cruiser had a forward gun.
Rheinland (to my knowledge) didn't have a cruiser but their GB had a forward gun.
i can't remember what ships Bretonia and Kusari had in SP, did any of them have forward guns?
EDIT: i think i confused myself and lost the point i was trying to make in this post