Battleships

[mjolnir]

where people are wrong is :

they think battleships are easy.

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the point is - the learning curve for a battleship is MUCH steeper than ANY other ship in the game. - you can master a bomber easily ( its like playing a game on novice level ) - you can master a light fighter easy ( like playing on medium ) - you can do well in most VHF after some practice ( like plaiyng on hard ) - but plaiyng a capital ship is not playing on "very easy" as some ppl might think... its like playing on "very hard".

Bomber is like playing on "novice" level? ehh

Jinx I have fought you a few times and your bomber skills are rather average - so you don't even master the novice level? - this is not meant as an offense merely to point out that you'r taking things out of context a bit here.

Bomber against a stationary BS is "novice" level yes, bomber against a properly moving GB 1vs1 is hard to insane level depending on the gb pilot. Then off course you have all the other ships you can fight.

LF - you can stay alive in it yes, actually killing something is a whole different matter
VHF - I certainly wouldn't say that staying alive in a VHF in a fighter fight is harder than in a bomber

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But yes you are right that capships need skill, to put it very simply:

For flying a bomber/vhf/lf you need to be able to turn/dodge (relatively easy to learn and extends your life very fast) and aim(hard to learn).

For flying a capship (cruiser/bs) you need most of all to be able to aim (which as mentioned above is hard).

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[Weedalot]

Bomber is like playing on "novice" level? ehh

Jinx I have fought you a few times and your bomber skills are rather average - so you don't even master the novice level? - this is not meant as an offense merely to point out that you'r taking things out of context a bit here.

Bomber against a stationary BS is "novice" level yes, bomber against a properly moving GB 1vs1 is hard to insane level depending on the gb pilot. Then off course you have all the other ships you can fight.

LF - you can stay alive in it yes, actually killing something is a whole different matter
VHF - I certainly wouldn't say that staying alive in a VHF in a fighter fight is harder than in a bomber

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But yes you are right that capships need skill, to put it very simply:

For flying a bomber/vhf/lf you need to be able to turn/dodge (relatively easy to learn and extends your life very fast) and aim(hard to learn).

For flying a capship (cruiser/bs) you need most of all to be able to aim (which as mentioned above is hard).

LF's can kill. Do not underestimate them.

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[Weedalot]

:haha:

WHAT?! And corse are not simple pirates. Why do you think they can land on lawful basses? The reason is that the RP is more complicated than "Hold it i want what you got and i take it now" I really hope you see my point.

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[Jinx]

bombers are novice skill - yes...

the learning curve is easy. - for what they are meant for ( bombarding destroyers / battleships ) - i don t need much skill. - i can dodge without much skill - and i can hit them.

i don t need to pay any attention to ammunition, cause i got indefinite, dodging in a bomber vs. a battleship is much easier than dodging a battleship vs. a bomber.

"novice" doesn t say its easy - it means you get good results MUCH easier than with a battleship.

and take it as that - my bomberskills are bad... yet i managed to strip destroyers and cruisers in my BHG bomber 1 vs. 1 and damage their hulls ... without inferno of course - and that at novice skills is .. what i call... easy.




light fighters - i can dodge all day - - and armed with 2 neutralizers and 2 cannonballs, i did fairly well vs. most VHF and then again, i would consider myself a novice in the LF department, too. ( but of course you can call me a missile spammer )

again - an easier learning curve, cause dodging doesn t require much pracice, erratice movements - strafing like mad .... you don t need a great skill to be hard to hit. - in order to hit someone, you need to be able to point your curser at the cross - thats as hard as any other ship.


VHF - they re a lot easier to dodge damage with than bombers - but at the same time take more serious damage.



battleships and cruisers are harder than most of the fighter classes, cause they require one to think in ahead. - starting to dodge after a supernova was fired is often too late.... you must have initiated the evasive manouver before it was fired, while the bomber fired it where you would have been before you initiated the dodging manouver.

you take a lot more hits and when the shields are down and the hull decreases - you re in MUCH more trouble than when you take some hits on a bomberhull.



of course - bombers vs. gunboats is a tough one - especially since gunboats are meant to kill them. - no doubt that a bomber needs more "skill" - but a bomber isn t really meant to kill gunboats - its meant to kill the larger ships.



to clear it up in short - i did not mean to say that flying a bomber is "novice skill" - what i mean is... you can get efficient much easier in a bomber than in a battleship quickly. - mastering ANY ship takes an equal amount of time.

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[Seth Karlo]

3 words :

FLY A BOMBER !
http://88.191.80.137/freelancer/LNS-Thunderbolt.wmv
That was taken by Karolis ... hell, look at that cap raping ! (Also the one who got this ship should change his ID pretty fast now)
You can see about in the middle of the video I (Bellerophon-B) am just behind at low range just strafing while getting fire from secondary turrets. Just know I didn't even used a nanobot and I used to last easily 30 seconds before I have to cycle for shield.

BS are just ... good against cruisers and other BS. That's why mine is equipped with primary only

What I suggest is to power up the solaris/mitrailleuses and mostly increase their ranges.

Other defence would be the razors, but they got too much power (insta kill from BS).

How did you get -134 speed?

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[seamus]

i like hows jinx states Bombers are ''Novice'' Skill level, That is actually hilarious, as bombers are most likely one of the Harder things too learns(im not talking about aim at the cap ships with the SN and shoots...) im talking about killing bombers/fighter with the SN which can take a long time too learn, so dont jump ahead of you'reself please jinx you jsut maked yourself looks bad...

and yes Battleships is hard to pilot, u need atleast 4 solaris some flaks and a rzzor to kills the bombers pilots, as BSs are realy made to kill caps.

(just seens the new post by made jinx, sorry jinx! i dont mean 2 insults or nothing i just thought u was make fun or something:()

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Once a Man who are Selling Ships see an Big Battleship he Ask the Commander from the Battleship that he want to sell this ship, but the Commander wouldnt he say I have an binding to this ship I dont sell this ship for All Money in Sirius so as the Commander and his Crew at Freeport 9 sleeping the Man and his Pirates the buy for much money going into the ship and stole the Battleship Next morning as the Commander and his Crew go to there ship it was not there...

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The greatest Roleplay ever of an Outcast Battleship being "Stolen"

[Jinx]

@seamus:

indeed - it is hard to kill a fighter with a SN....

as hard as killing a light fighter as a battleship...

and both ships are not meant to perform that task - but at an appropriate skill level, they might. - so, yes... you re right, - and i never said anything different. - but mastering a battleship is a slowly raising curve - you can practice a long time without seeing much improvement - but you ll be rewarded after a long time.

practicing a bomber - you ll experience a great leap of rewards - but once you made that huge leap that happens early, you ll only improve slightly more - and after the very SAME amount of practice, you will max your skill at a level where you can kill fighters with a SN.... while the battleship masters his gunnary and manages to kill fighters.

to put it graphicly:


( battleship learning curve ) X time / Y skill reward


( bomber learning curve ) X time / Y skill reward

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[Gin*]

How did you get -134 speed?

Seth was faster than me :mellow:
But really how do you get to -134 ?
I?ve never seen that before ! somekind of a new move that is now in the Mod ?

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[Thexare]

How did you get -134 speed?

Thrust, engine kill, and turn around.

[MB52]

3 words :

FLY A BOMBER !
http://88.191.80.137/freelancer/LNS-Thunderbolt.wmv
That was taken by Karolis ... hell, look at that cap raping ! (Also the one who got this ship should change his ID pretty fast now)
You can see about in the middle of the video I (Bellerophon-B) am just behind at low range just strafing while getting fire from secondary turrets. Just know I didn't even used a nanobot and I used to last easily 30 seconds before I have to cycle for shield.

BS are just ... good against cruisers and other BS. That's why mine is equipped with primary only

What I suggest is to power up the solaris/mitrailleuses and mostly increase their ranges.

Other defence would be the razors, but they got too much power (insta kill from BS).

You know.. saying fly a bomber... reallly really... makes me think you are an idiot.. sadly... cause thats what everyone says all the time.

Killing that carrier is no accomplishment. Notice how he really didn't have much in the way of anti fighter weapons? had he been using flaks you'd have been dust very fast.

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