The Oracles

[cudanny]

But I might consider alpha/gamma. If I'm allowed of course. However, I doubt either of them would enjoy a good preach.

Hey you would be suprised, in gamma we used to listen to the keepers instead of shooting them. hey we even used to gather round em and try to work out what they were trying to say. The best bit is we even let them fly off home alive and leving us trying to work out what the little squishies were on about.

As long as you guys speak better english than the keepers then it should be fine, I think...:D

[Maskage]

I found the oracle's theme song.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHKSrS8vJyI...feature=related

[Karlotta]

One of may favorite faction ideas I've seen so far, although it took some getting used to. Fits perfectly in the FL universe, background story well thought through, nice rp, parallels to RL that havent been covered by other factions, very much fun using the poem to find the oracle. More of that please.
Most important: a nice change from the numerous we-be-best-fighters-clans and rp-teaching-geniuses that have different tags but all behave the same ingame.
I think the 'suicide to get back to the shrine' thing isnt oorp at all, should on the contrary be worked into rp as a pseudo-religious experience and the mindshare. One of the things I like most about the oracles is the inner conflict in judging them... either 100% correct in accepting the only way to peace by overcoming your hatred of the enemy and embrassing the unknown, or 100% wrong because they are a bunch of dillusional tree-hugging pansy powerhungry hedonistical traitors. -Understandable and revolting at the same time.
Little room for improvement tho: only preach in system chat if its really your intention to annoy. Talking to your members, they seem surprised and pissed they get shot at. Better learn to accept it. Most chars are required to kill you on site by their rp (like most of mine). If you want to gain members, the way to go is to preach for smaller audiences or the personal approach, and rp as a persecuted minority and superior beings at the same time... works great for RL sects...

[worldstrider]

No to docking Junker bases with an infected prophet. Followers--maybe. Those with infection--have you been to Yanagi?

No sane Junker is going to open a base full of working families to potential Wild...and that's how they would be seen. Even letting their followers on is a big stretch. Imagine at Yanagi..."Hi--we're friends of the big brothers of the Wild out there and even host a few of them. Mind if we base here and try to win converts? Thanks!"...*Dub the sound of Junker gunfire now*

I'll let the other groups speak for themselves. Can we please stop making Junkers the "far out stop" for every new category of faction? It makes the Junker faction itself a joke and dilutes its own rp. I understand the need and am not unsympathetic but you HAVE to have a plausible device to make a genuine Junker accept your rp suggestion. None is here.

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[Rudo]

No to docking Junker bases with an infected prophet. Followers--maybe. Those with infection--have you been to Yanagi?

No sane Junker is going to open a base full of working families to potential Wild...and that's how they would be seen. Even letting their followers on is a big stretch. Imagine at Yanagi..."Hi--we're friends of the big brothers of the Wild out there and even host a few of them. Mind if we base here and try to win converts? Thanks!"...*Dub the sound of Junker gunfire now*

I'll let the other groups speak for themselves. Can we please stop making Junkers the "far out stop" for every new category of faction? It makes the Junker faction itself a joke and dilutes its own rp. I understand the need and am not unsympathetic but you HAVE to have a plausible device to make a genuine Junker accept your rp suggestion. None is here.

This is signed and seconded by me.

Keep in mind that even though the Junkers might host a lot of factions, they won't willingly play host to the Oracles (and by 'host' I mean all senses of the word that come to mind).

The Congress is still under order to treat Oracles like clay pigeons should they go through Puerto Rico.

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[Tenacity]

No to docking Junker bases with an infected prophet. Followers--maybe. Those with infection--have you been to Yanagi?

No sane Junker is going to open a base full of working families to potential Wild...and that's how they would be seen. Even letting their followers on is a big stretch. Imagine at Yanagi..."Hi--we're friends of the big brothers of the Wild out there and even host a few of them. Mind if we base here and try to win converts? Thanks!"...*Dub the sound of Junker gunfire now*

I'll let the other groups speak for themselves. Can we please stop making Junkers the "far out stop" for every new category of faction? It makes the Junker faction itself a joke and dilutes its own rp. I understand the need and am not unsympathetic but you HAVE to have a plausible device to make a genuine Junker accept your rp suggestion. None is here.

Do you honestly think the nomads would have infested so much of humanity without being noticed if... well, they were visually distinct and noticable?

That's part of the advantage, even the infested look and behave exactly like normal humans, there's no way to tell they're infested or not unless you have proper scanning equipment - which the junkers probably dont have. That kind of tech is almost exclusive to the LSF and Order.

Our members are meant to act like normal 'civilians', so unless the player does something which gives you reason to deny him from the base, I dont think you should be.

EDIT:

On top of that, the majority of our members are full humans, non-infested; including my own Oracle (though she is a psychic, she has no squid in her) =P

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[Salvager]

That's part of the advantage, even the infested look and behave exactly like normal humans, there's no way to tell they're infested or not unless you have proper scanning equipment - which the junkers probably dont have.

Again, have you been to Yanagi. With all the experiments on the Wilde carried out there, I'd say we probably know how to detect them by now.

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.:j:.Salvager.VHF - Collector
.:j:.Salvager.B - Recycler
.:j:.Salvager.B2 - Waran

"Good news everyone. I suddenly and unexpectedly have job vacancies for an entire spaceship crew!"

[Rudo]

Again, have you been to Yanagi. With all the experiments on the Wilde carried out there, I'd say we probably know how to detect them by now.

I wouldn't go that far.

There are things afoot in the Congress that won't be made public knowledge, and likely to be kept secret as a general rule. :P

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[worldstrider]

It's coincidental, but you have crossed rp with an official faction that has made fighting and exposing the Wild one of its its primary mandates. That rp existed before your idea was developed--you can't undo it or go back to the "you are just simple Junkers" argument to explain it away. Tinkerbell's current activity is directly related to this very thing and has been from his inception. His whole motive in wanting united and strong Junkers was fear of a future Wild-Nomad war. His current missions to Galia are out of hthat same concern. Do the math. As to the "inability to detect"--I'd dispute that--in fact, Scornstar and I privately worked out some ideas on this very issue (which will be partly revealed in my current rp). Also note where my own current diplomatic mission is to and what it involves: The Wild-Nomads and encouraging Gallia to work with the Congress to resist them. might be some tech there--since they have helped us all along.

If you infiltrate our base on a case by case basis--that's something you can work at. We already have taken steps to secure our bases regarding this very issue. Its the reason our rp in Puerto Rico allows no one into the system without a Junker escort. My current rp is my own but it is derived and connected to the same rp in performed in the Congress. Tinkerbell has warned and stimulated Junkers to take the threat seriously. No one will just lie down and go "Pshaw". Even tonight Junker ships were killed by Keepers near Rochester and the spoutings of the Oracles were done publicly in the same season. Not to hard to identify them by the rhetoric.

I'm not dissing the rp idea--I like the idea of humans wanting to work for the Nomads--I think there are always those who pursue power at any cost. I am just defending against, "We'll use the Junkers--they are easy"... and that at the expense of our already established rp. To be specific, Nomad detection was a joint Junker-Harvester effort. It is not "unsophisticated". The Harvesters see Nomads as the same threat we do. Junker bases are the last places to try to set up open shop in.

The simple fact is, Junkers are a practical, savvy and careful people who don't underestimate enemies. That's true even with no Tinkerbell or Congress. The Nomads were a known threat already and the Keepers and Wild have publicized by their actions that they still are. Tinkerbell's warnings would resonate on that backdrop with many Junkers and they would be careful.

You may not believe this, but I have no aversion at all to your faction having covert and unseen (as in they look and act normal and n one knows) entry to the bases but the rp I am escalating will address Wild infiltration attempts and its going to make pulling that off as a "permanent" premise almost impossible. I applaud the effort here but Junker bases will be hard to rp justify this and it will become even harder as our rp unfolds. I have an alternative suggestion for you--bases that sell refugees. Refugee camps are hard to secure and there are a lot of people to hide behind. I haven't parsed the cards so I can't say how practical or problematic that will be.

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[Minimum]

Even tonight Junker ships were killed by Keepers near Rochester and the spoutings of the Oracles were done publicly in the same season. Not to hard to identify them by the rhetoric.

I was there, not really much of a battle for me. One mine from you and I was space dust. I don't think I even lasted 30 seconds. Gotta love my peashooters and merely okay ship. Also, my flying experience is not nearly what it used to be back when I played FL. Have to get used to this modded universe (and, yes I used to play way back, just look at my join date...)

On a more serious note, I think that by now the majority of people should be able to detect nomad-infested lifeforms. I mean it has been quite a while since the events in FL took place. Shouldn't pretty much everyone be used to dealing with Nomads by now? Especially those who live in the border/edge worlds, who have to deal with Nomads a lot more than the Houses do.

Even though yes I may want to join The Oracles, I still say that people should be able to detect nomad-infested lifeforms for at least these reasons. But that's just my two cents.

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