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[tansytansey]

I agree though, that missiles do tend to remove any advantage from people using full guns.

It is becoming the case now, isn't it? I've considered many times now mounting a missile on my Greyhound. It's gotten to the point now that just about every fighter, at least in Liberty, has at least one or two missiles. And if you're the only one in a fight without missiles, you aren't gonna be making any kills - or damage, for that matter. Shields regenerate too fast for you to cause significant damage by the time you're forced to evade another missile.

It's starting to become a case now of if you can't beat them, join them. That's something I'll have to think about more if I ever get a stable internet connection in the near future...

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[5:50:49 PM] JakeSG (William Darkmoor) says: I like you, Ashes. You're more cynical than God.

[Syndic]

Its the better missile damage combined with the faster speed of the fighter that is making it so bad. They can zoom in and out of range quickly and many ships that used to excel at fighting off fighters (the BH gunship for example) have been nerfed to mediocrity. Some gunboat class ships have had diminished maneuver added or reduced zones of overlapping gun coverage.

I actually like fighters being a greater threat to a gunship/gunboat as they were almost none before but the balance has tilted to their favor.

Possible counters--increase solaris range and slightly reduce power consumption or increase refire of GB missiles--just very slightly.

Interested to hear other experiences.

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[Niro]

Gunboats and gunships? What? Sorry, missiles still don't pose much a threat to a gunboat, while gunboats still can tear open fighters and bombers like tin cans.

That's not really the discussion, though.

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[swift]

Its the better missile damage combined with the faster speed of the fighter that is making it so bad. They can zoom in and out of range quickly and many ships that used to excel at fighting off fighters (the BH gunship for example) have been nerfed to mediocrity. Some gunboat class ships have had diminished maneuver added or reduced zones of overlapping gun coverage.

I actually like fighters being a greater threat to a gunship/gunboat as they were almost none before but the balance has tilted to their favor.

Possible counters--increase solaris range and slightly reduce power consumption or increase refire of GB missiles--just very slightly.

Interested to hear other experiences.

Actually, while flying both my fighters, bombers, and my gunboat, I've noticed that the gunboats have not really diminished in strength, and I'm inclined to think of it more as a myth.

Gunboats now have larger armor than before, and the same gun strength.
Three fighters on a gunboat is considered equal odds, and if two don't have razors or stronger weapons, they have no chance mostly.

But as someone said, this is not a discussion for this here thread, as missiles are 0 threat to gunboats.

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[Doom]

Gunboats now have larger armor than before, and the same gun strength.

That isnt true...armor on most GBs remained the same...their shield regen was reduced i think. Gun range is reduced and power consumption upped.

Three fighters on a gunboat is considered equal odds, and if two don't have razors or stronger weapons, they have no chance mostly.

That greatly depends on GB type and on its loadout....but that is the way they were made on purpose...

[tansytansey]

Its the better missile damage combined with the faster speed of the fighter that is making it so bad. They can zoom in and out of range quickly and many ships that used to excel at fighting off fighters (the BH gunship for example) have been nerfed to mediocrity. Some gunboat class ships have had diminished maneuver added or reduced zones of overlapping gun coverage.

I actually like fighters being a greater threat to a gunship/gunboat as they were almost none before but the balance has tilted to their favor.

Possible counters--increase solaris range and slightly reduce power consumption or increase refire of GB missiles--just very slightly.

Interested to hear other experiences.

But as someone said, this is not a discussion for this here thread, as missiles are 0 threat to gunboats.

Indeed. We're talking about fighter vs fighter combat. Not Gunboat balance. That's another discussion entirely.

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[5:50:49 PM] JakeSG (William Darkmoor) says: I like you, Ashes. You're more cynical than God.

[swift]

That isnt true...armor on most GBs remained the same...their shied regen was reduced i think. Gun range is reduced and power consumption upped.

I knew about the gun range and power consumption, but it seemed to me the armor was upped. Okay then, I stand corrected.

That greatly depends on GB type and on its loadout....but that is the way they were made on purpose...

Yeah, I know, I didn't say that was the wrong state of things, just said what the general odds of fighter - gunboat battles are.

Anyways, yeah, I'm not gonna derail the topic anymore, so no more off topic for me.:P

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[Malexa]

Did I understand that right?
The Hornet got the same stats as the old TCD from 4.84 due to testing purposes? Except the speed?
...I have to look this up when I get home!


I have also witnessed a problem with the current TCD, because they only hit at perfect pings.
My fighter tactics rely on the use of mines and the TCD, and I also love to blow up enemy missiles.
It would be perfect, if the TCD problem would get spotted and eliminated. Would defuse the missileproblem a lot.
The Razor fighters still have that problem, but a jousting fighter is the best you can get ;-)

Malexa

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[El Nino]

Gunboats now have larger armor than before, and the same gun strength.
Three fighters on a gunboat is considered equal odds, and if two don't have razors or stronger weapons, they have no chance mostly.

Nope... lower armor, and the same gun strength... a bit less shield regen, but hardly noticable.

Anyhow, fighter missiles, the energy use idea might be good, but how much energy? 4k per cannonball? so you turn around in your sabre fire of 7k worth of krakens and punch in 1 cb... turn around and only have energy for 1 cb or 4k worth of krakens? That might be very good yes.

Anyhow the awesomeness of missiles is really disturbing. It kinda ruins the flair. With guns only against an inferior pilot you can really rock, but with missiles in the mix, that hardly works that nice and wicked. It evens out the playing field. missiles could easily get their damage/2=energy use... (soo about 0.5 efficiency) that would atleast limit their use a little.

Bombers are no problem at all anyhow. With any VHF you can take out any bomber with ease. They all have nice hitboxes now and are easy to kill in a VHF. SN is not a threat when your guns actually do enough damage to effectievly kill the bomber. Missiles do help against a bomber but arn't required. (VHF can rape bombers with or without missiles)

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[Rudo]

I dont see an issue with missiles at the moment,

Is it wrong that seeing you say this made me shoot coffee out my nose? :lol:

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