BHG Gunship

[khran]

The BHG Gunship is a beautiful ship and doesn't deserve to play second fiddle to the Orca which in no way fits the BHG ship line, and is, IMHO, uglier than the old model.

At the moment it has the weakest hull and has the fewest Bots/Bats of any Gunship. I believe it has the smallest hold as well.

By comparison, the Junker BOMBER carries 10 more Bots/Bats and is only short about 30 on hull size.

In addition to these shortcomings the GS still costs quite a bit when compared to superior vessels. Can we please give it a little upgrade and call it the Bottlenose MKII or something?

I'd like to see it have its Hold Size boosted to allow it to use MK8 armor (hit the Hacker GS while you're at it). Do that and you can leave the current armor rating as is. Only fair given its agility. But being stuck with MK4 armor is a massive disadvantage especially when other GBs already sport 2x the hull strength sans plating. In addition, I'd like to see the lower weapon mounts which currently fire down/back have an improved arc. Not completely forward firing, but based on the model and IMHO to make the ship more combat competitive, they should at least be able to fire during a sharp turn (so on a sharp right the right side can fire, and vica versa).

Thoughts? I don't think what I'm asking for is in any way unbalanced, but if it is, please be nice when correcting me.;)

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[Robert.Fitzgerald]

The Gunship is great against bombers and fighters, its intended targets.

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[frozen]

the gunship is designed to be anti fighter/bomber, and in its current state, it is more than efficient at its job. the orca is designed to be anti cap, with the forward gun. the reason the gunship has a small hold is to prevent people mounting cap 8s on such a gunship. (in 4.84 the older import-a-model was about the same size as a barghest, yet had enough firepower and agility to deal alot of damage. hell, it could solo a cruiser, battlecruiser, and even the lone unskilled bs pilot at that.)

its the lightest, smallest gunship to show it being primarily as anti fighter/bomber, and to show its inability to handle another cap ship pounding it.

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[khran]

the gunship is designed to be anti fighter/bomber, and in its current state, it is more than efficient at its job. the orca is designed to be anti cap, with the forward gun. the reason the gunship has a small hold is to prevent people mounting cap 8s on such a gunship. (in 4.84 the older import-a-model was about the same size as a barghest, yet had enough firepower and agility to deal alot of damage. hell, it could solo a cruiser, battlecruiser, and even the lone unskilled bs pilot at that.)

its the lightest, smallest gunship to show it being primarily as anti fighter/bomber, and to show its inability to handle another cap ship pounding it.

Aren't most Gunboats designed to be fighter/bomber deterrents with the capability to load anti-cap weaponry? The BHG GS may be fighter/bomber SPECIALIZED but that doesn't mean it should be made of paper. Just like every Fwd Gun carrying GB is a better cap ship deterrent, but they all have the ability to function well vs fighters/bombers. The difference between an 80k hull (let alone 100k+) with MKVIII vs the 55k GS with MKIV is HUGE. The BHG GS can go down to a single SNAC. Even if you give the BHG GS MKVIII you're still looking at a difference in hull strength of around 100k between it and the next level of GBs. At the moment though its more like 150k. That's not balance. :P At least let it mount MKVI. Remember, plating increases hull based on a multiplier. Low hull strength ships get FAR less benefit from the incredibly expensive MKVIII than ships with 2-3x stronger hulls.

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[khran]

And what about the Zoner GS? I love it, btw, but what is it's intended role? It has almost 2x the hull strength of the BHG GS, can mount MKVIII and yet its more agile, has equal forward firing capabilities AND you could argue greater rear firing capabilities since it can lay down minefields with impunity without ever having to check its rear view mirrors. That to me is a far more effective Fighter/Bomber GB. The only advantage the BHG GS really has is its slim hit box. The Zoner GB even costs less.:P

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[JIVA]

feel free to use a zoner GB instead of a BHG GS as a BHG...

but mind that.... the zoner GB is like more t han twice the sice of the BHG GS. - actually its pretty much the size of the order GB, one of the very large gunboats. - that doesn t mean its weak, but the zoner GB is meant to be defensive - its a supernova magnet. - something you cannot say about the BHG GS.

i don t think that anything with the gunboats is wrong atm. - gunboat weapons in general might be a bit on the weak side - but the ships are fine, i believe.

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[Harcourt.Fenton.Mudd]

Agreed, GB weps ARE too weak currently, prehaps increase all GB wep stats by five to ten precent, and increase the range of GB Solaris to a decent ammount.

[Andrew_Bonesovich]

but mind that.... the zoner GB is like more t han twice the sice of the BHG GS. - actually its pretty much the size of the order GB, one of the very large gunboats. - that doesn t mean its weak, but the zoner GB is meant to be defensive - its a supernova magnet. - something you cannot say about the BHG GS.

I must disagree.

Every decent bomber pilot can easily SN the BH GS from the side. Even with higher armour upgrade, it can be easily took out by two well aimed SN shots after the shield is down. Ive seen gunships in fight a few times, and when bombers swarm them, they are just dead after the shield is down.

I managed to take out BH GS 1on1 in a praetorian. The gunship pilot wasnt bad.

In my gunship, two -Titans- with razors managed to get me quite easily, even when I had one fighter as a support. Im not a good gunboat pilot, but with purely anti-fighter/bomber ship and anti-fighter/bomber loadout it shouldnt happen imo.

In my opinion BH Gunship should be able to take on 2 fighters, and at least 1 bomber for sure, while other gunboats or even bigger capships should rape it.

Honestly, I dont have any idea how to do that however. Making its armour higher would make it too useful against caps, pointing all turrets forward would do the same. :unsure:

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[mjolnir]

In my gunship, two -Titans- with razors managed to get me quite easily, even when I had one fighter as a support. Im not a good gunboat pilot, but with purely anti-fighter/bomber ship and anti-fighter/bomber loadout it shouldnt happen imo.

You answered yourself there....when two titans without a CD can do that to you....oh well...

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[Andrew_Bonesovich]

You answered yourself there....when two titans without a CD can do that to you....oh well...

EKing didnt help, it just exposed me to the gunfire and they cant easily thrust around me out of my view.

Also, the gunship's armour is so low that I was dying to a missile spam from -fighters-. Dodging razors/guns was the easiest part really.

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