Most SN kills on fighters I get are because of opponent's lack of dodging. Fighting a bomber in VHF needs patience, rushing into a series of jousts is suicidal.
I get rarely SNed in fighters. When I get SNed in one of my fighters, its usually my own fault of dropping my guard in a certain moment - and the bomber pilot takes the chance and fires it.
Fighting fighters in bombers isnt that easy as it may seem to the fighter pilot. Especially in heavy bombers, fighter just outmanuevers you. There isnt much people that can hit fighter out of joust with SN, so you just need to avoid direct jousts without shields. Its simple as that and many people still dont get it. (though some skilled bomber pilots will SN you regardless :P Im not one of them though)
Against caps they work like they should.
Against fighters, well, the idea of one special bomber class of guns may work. I actually thought if its possible to change gun slots to turrets, possibly 6class turrets (which are not used I believe) and making all 6 class turrets bomber weapons (slow, hard hitting shieldbusters, maybe even ignoring shield type, or more types of shieldbusters)
Seeing as how my post was completely ignored and apparently unread by everyone, I will go ahead and repost it, because I think it brings up an important point.
The problem involving SNAC is, EVERY bomber uses it. Meaning that it is recognizably better than any other bomber weapon out there. Does anyone else see the problem with this? Remember vanilla freelancer servers where everyone was flying eagles with nomad guns?
If you don't want to nerf the SN, don't want to buff fighters, don't want to nerf bombers, then at LEAST give bombers some more variety in weapons. And not just "oh, here's another sucky bomber weapon" variety. I mean some weapon with a clear advantage in one category or another.
How's this for an idea? Give the starkiller and sunslayer "armor piercing" capability. So once the shields are down, you can fire these torpedoes at subsystems, and the torpedo will ignore the main ship's hitbox, and only damage that subsystem? I think they currently have enough damage to kill most capship mounts pretty easily, so this would be a good weapon for taking out the enemy's shield generator, CM dropper, and main cannons, for instance.
How about a rocket pod weapon? Have it fire a bunch of unguided projectiles that accelerate at 40m/s^2, with a little bit of spread in the paths of the rockets. Each one would do about the damage of a starkiller, but there would be like 20 of them, for instance. With these a "support" bomber could hang back and pepper capships from long range, but risk missing a lot, or he could go in for a close attack run and hit 'em with a full rocket volley.
I've got more ideas too. My point is that the SNAC should not be the end all be all of bomber weapons. If you say that it is fine as it is, give bomber pilots some incentive to use other weapons as well.
The nova isn't just "another sucky bomber weapon", it's very good at what it does. Most players don't want to have to buy another weapon, or to continually use ammo, or to learn how to use another weapon. That's why the supernova is used more.
' Wrote:The nova isn't just "another sucky bomber weapon", it's very good at what it does. Most players don't want to have to buy another weapon, or to continually use ammo, or to learn how to use another weapon. That's why the supernova is used more.
Did you even bother to read his post? His point is that using anything other than a SNAC is pointless because anything else is "a sucky bomber weapon". Everyone uses the SNAC because its OBVIOUSLY, to anyone with half a brain, the absolutely best thing a bomber pilot can throw in a torp slot. His point is that Bombers need some variety. Give them something worthwhile to slot there. Something with enough incentive that they actually sit and debate for a while whether they want a SNAC vs "x torp weapon". At the moment that debate DOES NOT EXIST.
Currently the only options to the SNAC are underpowered and prohibitively expensive to boot. Honestly I think all ammo using weapons should be thrown out and replaced with new re-balanced variants that require no ammo. No one is going to pay $3k per torpedo when they can fire off SNACs for free and do more damage per hit. IMHO even fighter missles should be rebalanced and have their ammo thrown out. They're not powerful enough to justify their cost, but when they get buffed people scream "OMG NO SKILL I WIN BUTTON NERF NERF NERF" and then they get chopped down.
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I did read his post, and my point was that he is incorrect. People use the SNAC because they're used to the weapon, and its easier to use against capital ships than a Nova torpedo. That's probably true, as the Nova isn't as good against shields.
The nova does more damage (165.000) than the supernova (132.000), it tracks, it does splash damage, has longer range (4200 vs 2000ish) and uses less energy. You obviously haven't looked up the stats, tried one or seen one in action so you don't really know what you're talking about.
' Wrote:I did read his post, and my point was that he is incorrect. People use the SNAC because they're used to the weapon, and its easier to use against capital ships than a Nova torpedo. That's probably true, as the Nova isn't as good against shields.
The nova does more damage (165.000) than the supernova (132.000), it tracks, it does splash damage, has longer range (4200 vs 2000ish) and uses less energy. You obviously haven't looked up the stats, tried one or seen one in action so you don't really know what you're talking about.
I'm well aware of the Nova's stats thank you. That doesn't mean its equal to or better than the SNAC. The nova also has the unfortunate side effect of being able to kill the person who launches it. And the fact that the SNAC requires no ammo, is easier to use and has no issues with shield hardpoints far outweighs the benefit of 25% more damage + splash.
So ya, the Nova Torp is "Just another sucky bomber weapon" IMHO.
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