Do nations like Liberty, or even Rhineland, have any position on the Hogosha or AFA?
If not, they should be allowed to travel there for the purpose of their RP, same as the Junkers.
If there is to be 'turf wars' played out, then it requires players to actually 'muscle in' on each others turf.
Let the local unlawfuls decide how they will approach it.
That being said, there might be some issues to work out.
Xenos-Farmers: How will the internal politics of the Xenos be worked out? Will individual Xenos be ostracised for dealing with foreigners - even if it is against the Junkers?
Turf wars: How will House internal politics play out? Unlike unlawfuls in Liberty, the AFA and Hogosha have a direct line to the government. Will they go running to the authorities after a couple of incidents in Kusari space?
Lawful government interfering in a 'turf war' will ruin it very quickly.
Not exactly sure what purpose a Hogosha would really have in Liberty or Rheinland? No one would deal with them except Hackers and maybe Rogues? AFA might get on with the LWB but there seems to be a lot of anti-Kusari sentiments amongst the general Rheinland population. Plus that isn't really the FAs thing. I know the factions are basically merging, but there are still differences between the two.
' Wrote:Do nations like Liberty, or even Rhineland, have any position on the Hogosha or AFA?
If not, they should be allowed to travel there for the purpose of their RP, same as the Junkers.
If there is to be 'turf wars' played out, then it requires players to actually 'muscle in' on each others turf.
Let the local unlawfuls decide how they will approach it.
That being said, there might be some issues to work out.
Xenos-Farmers: How will the internal politics of the Xenos be worked out? Will individual Xenos be ostracised for dealing with foreigners - even if it is against the Junkers?
Turf wars: How will House internal politics play out? Unlike unlawfuls in Liberty, the AFA and Hogosha have a direct line to the government. Will they go running to the authorities after a couple of incidents in Kusari space?
Lawful government interfering in a 'turf war' will ruin it very quickly.
Hogosha are just another corporation in Kusari, and they are Kusari citizens, so any lawful authority would have to treat them as civilians if they weren't doing anything illegal. Seeing as how the Hogosha have many hands in the Kusari government, if a "Kusari citizen" were kicked out of a house for no reason, it might be a bad diplomatic situation.
On the FA, they are just Kusari citizens as well, unless doing something illegal. Not everyone is supposed to know that they're FA. We don't really have IDs on our ships. But, as to why we'd be in Rheinland or Liberty on a regular basis is a question. We really shouldn't be, aside from a very special event.
' Wrote:Not exactly sure what purpose a Hogosha would really have in Liberty or Rheinland? No one would deal with them except Hackers and maybe Rogues? AFA might get on with the LWB but there seems to be a lot of anti-Kusari sentiments amongst the general Rheinland population. Plus that isn't really the FAs thing. I know the factions are basically merging, but there are still differences between the two.
The Hogosha are a legitimate corporation in Kusari, and I would guess they would be treated like one in Rheinland and Liberty as well. Afterall, they are only Kusari citizens traveling the stars and trading, like any other corporation is. If they aren't doing anything illegal, I don't see why they wouldn't be treated neutrally. They aren't like the Junkers in Kusari. There is no anti-Hogosha propaganda released by the quasi-government like Kusari has anti-Junker propaganda.
Onto the FA, any union with the LWB would be kind of unlikely. If the FA went to Rheinland or Liberty, they would probably do so with the Hogosha as a legal front and a distinct purpose. Once that purpose was fulfilled, they would leave. We don't like foreigners (As the anti BowEx, Gateway, and Republican missions on Kagoshima can attest), so I don't see why we'd stick around very long. There wouldn't be much time for chit-chat, and even if it would happen, I wouldn't like to go and unify these two groups because vanilla kept them very ignorant of each other...
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Hogosha in Liberty and Rheinland makes perfect sense as they want to keep an eye on war opportunities and force and patrol buildups. The Corsairs and Order would also love to have Hogosha ships "innocently trading" in Liberty to inform them of goings on as well.
A Hogosha freighter or transport would just be "another Kusari" to local law enforcement--at best a suspected smuggler if their intel was good (no diff than the smuggler id).
I'd love to see Samura tagged but Hogosha IDed traders for example. No different than the "fishing trawlers" fleeted by WWII Japanese and Cold War Chinese and Russian forces. I think the Wild should be allowed the same tactic. Would require enemies and police to actually get near and scan to ID them.
As a Junker, I wouldn't have a problem with Hogosha making forays into Liberty and Rheinland for trading. I'm guessing a lot of groups would have problems with them inRP, but that could be a good thing. It might not last though - get caught smuggling and they could get outlawed pretty fast, and like I said there's not a whole lot of unlawful bases that would let them dock either.
Personally I am against groups 'outlawing' other groups that are not in a state of war.
I am as much against Liberty outlawing the Hogosha for smuggling, as I am for Kusari to outlaw Junkers for simply being Junkers.
Sure they shouldnt necessarily get a warm welcome.
Sure they should conduct their business and move on.
Sure the underbelly of each House will fight tooth and nail to protect each other's turf.
Ultimately, the House authorities should stay out of it, keeping 'bans' for specific ships rather than whole factions.
' Wrote:Personally I am against groups 'outlawing' other groups that are not in a state of war.
I am as much against Liberty outlawing the Hogosha for smuggling, as I am for Kusari to outlaw Junkers for simply being Junkers.
Sure they shouldnt necessarily get a warm welcome.
Sure they should conduct their business and move on.
Sure the underbelly of each House will fight tooth and nail to protect each other's turf.
Ultimately, the House authorities should stay out of it, keeping 'bans' for specific ships rather than whole factions.
Me agree to.
In Rp, Junkers and Hogosha's would whack each other out of sight of the law on each other's turf--just like drive-bys between rival gangs.
Scenario: You are a KNF pilot in a Chimera (faction or independent, irrelevant to the question) and while on patrol in Honshu you spot a Junker and a Hogosha duking it out just off the tradelane.
Do you get involved? What do you do if you do?
I've had KNF (independent) pilots come gunning for my Junkers when fighting Hogosha/FA. While this is expected if the Hogosha/FA are aiding a military operation in Bretonia, it's also occurred in the Taus and in Kusari. Just wondering if this is standard or just an irregularity; there's some RP that needs writing and tactics that need adjusting if this is standard procedure.
Also, from an outside-the-game viewpoint: The Congress does tilt slightly toward the Bretonia side of the war, simply because a Samura-dominant Kusari expanding and gaining power is generally bad for business. Good luck getting them to admit it, though.
' Wrote:This is a legitimate concern, yes, however, it seems that you have very little faith in the way that AFA does handle misinterpreted RPs. As was done in the past, anyone who does misinterpret our RP and, say, spends all of his time in Bretonia with an FA ID, an FA Bomber, and full Disenfectors, he will be asked nicely to rethink his RP and look on the FA in general or change himself to the appropriate ID, as he isn't quite getting what the FA is. In the case outlined above, the person would be asked to change himself to KNF, as that is what he is acting as. In the case regarding Junkers, a Vigilante ID would be recommended because he isn't quite fulfilling the entirety of FA or Hogosha goals (Since that option would probably come up). That is, though, if the person cannot fix his narrow outlook on the FA's role in Kusari.
Though I know many people think we just blow it up, reading through the Kusari rumors, it's clear that the RP there is quite tangled and complex. It's easy to understand that people can only catch certain aspects of it and fixate themselves on it. It's our job as an official faction to educate them on the entirety of the Kusari RP or help them figure an alternative if they find out that the entirety of the RP isn't quite their thing.
Though, we haven't really encountered many people who really choose the FA to be their pwning faction of choice. I can only recall a pair of them since I've joined the server. Our obscurity really does protect us a great deal...
I did assume you did what I've ended up doing with Junker independents via washing my hands of them (which is bad) and that was thoughtless of me. I'm sorry about that and thanks for keeping a lid on an established RP that could be devastating in the hands of someone with more bloodlust and less restraint.
If I could bring a bit of order to Junker RP I would, but it seems my attempts to do so have led to the creation of groups whose intent is to be organized "without the restrictions and rules of an official faction".
(NOTE: The creation of the groups isn't the problem there, but the stated intent does get under my skin a bit)
I would assume the KNF would come to the aid of a Hogosha or FA fighting a Junker in Kusari. Junkers are looked at as criminals in Kusari. The KNF, the KSP, and the Kusari government view Junkers as just another group of Gaijin criminals infesting Kusari like the Liberty Rogues and Lane Hackers.
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