ADMIN NOTICE : OFFICIAL FACTION RIGHTS

[Eppy]

I think I should use the age-old internet debating tactic of:

LOLIRONY

Indirect personal attack with an accusation of cheap tactics; appeal to authority due to debate experience; also a possibility of some proof by verbosity.

Pwnt.

The system has NEVER worked. I don't need to prove anything to you. I've lived it my friend. I didnt say it will stop the trading ships and gunboats, im asking why stop at battleships if we take this approach?

We shouldn't stop at Battleships, imho, but the cutoff point is Cruisers. Battleships are like the elephant; they're big, loud and destructive. Cruisers are like velociraptors; smaller, but faster, much more numerous and vicious. Everything else is 'small beans' in this community's eyes.

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.

[n00bl3t]

Everything else is 'small beans' in this community's eyes.

Like a pair of bombers. Which can cause more destruction than the average destroyer pilot.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[chovynz]

I do wonder how much wording really comes into play with these threads. If it was about "Privileges and Responsibilities" instead of "Rights" would it make a difference? A lot of the arguing is about rights and freedoms - ideas that get people riled up.

Regardless, it seems the main objection is over leaders being able to block the ability of other ships to do things (even if it doesn't sound like that to me). Without arguing details, why not more suggestions of alternatives?

The wording is important, and I mention freedoms because they are a different thing to rights. Mention rights and a bomb goes off. Seriously, Nobody has any "Rights" on this server. Not one. Only those who pay for and operate it out of the goodness of their hearts. Igiss and majkp are the only two people I would say have any "Rights" to do whatever the hell they want with this server.

Everything else is our "freedom" to act within certain boundaries. The boundaries are set and defined by those with the "Rights", but they have allowed "us" as a community to have a say, and have delegated certain "powers" and responsibilities to our <strike>nannies</strike> admins. Understanding that you (generic) as a visitor have no "rights" whatsoever on this server and it will go a long way to calming many stupid and unnecessary squabbles.

So again I ask, what is our freedoms as individual players on this server? Because it really does not make a difference if you are in a faction or not. Are we going to have one person, or faction, determine what ships we can fly? Are we going to have more rules about you can and cannot do based on someone else's perspective? I am not asking these rhetorically, I really would like to know, because up until this point it has not been clear. sanctions have been flip-flopping all over the place, BECAUSE we as a community has not resolved this.

Do I trust these current leaders? Yes I do. But I remember Tony, and various other things that THIS community has done. I remind this community of what it is capable of, when it's all over just a computer game. You can lose friendships and things get nasty, because issues like this are buried, or shouted down, instead of talked through and the points addressed. It is seriously not worth losing friendships and the nastiness that happens when things are misunderstood from the outset.

Do I trust the admins to do their job? Yes I do. But more clarity is needed. Perhaps, this is a way of getting some work off the admins and onto the faction leaders? I'm all for that outcome, but not this method. I'm opposed to "battleship" regulation by faction leader control, since it begs the question, "why stop there only at battleships? Why not make faction joining compulsory and put all power like that into a factions hands? Since it should in theory take more work out of admins hands." HOWEVER, I say lets try the battleship in faction leader control for 3 months or so and see what happens. There is too much theory and too much talk, when experimentation and "play" is needed. Less talk, more do.

God, I hate talks like this.

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Seek fun and you shall find it. Seek stuff to Q_Q about and you'll find that, too. I choose to have fun.

[Zeltak]

Like a pair of bombers. Which can cause more destruction than the average destroyer pilot.

YEEEEEAH GO BOMBERS! WOHOOOOO

Plz tell me when can I ban battleships? D:

[bluntpencil2001]

Pwnt.

Now, Eppy, I wasn't attempting to 'pwn' someone. Misinterpreting of my intent is likely my own fault, so I should apologise to Xoria a bit here.

My intent was to suggest that people, including yourself, are taking this too seriously, and that Athenian was right in that only critical judgement, without positive ideas, isn't helping.

The positive ideas, which are being suggested, appear to be getting close attention from Dieter, who is making changes when he sees something good.

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[n00bl3t]

YEEEEEAH GO BOMBERS! WOHOOOOO

Plz tell me when can I ban battleships? D:

I think I will just chalk it up to some SCRA thing.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[chovynz]

My intent was to suggest that people, including yourself, are taking this too seriously, and that Athenian was right in that only critical judgement, without positive ideas, isn't helping.

The positive ideas, which are being suggested, appear to be getting close attention from Dieter, who is making changes when he sees something good.

In that case I'll re-mention something that I fell needs clarity (just in case it got overlooked.)

Official Factions are free to restrict or not restrict access to their owned systems and tax players who enter owned system. However, properly Tagged and ID'd independent players may enter Guard systems. Access to systems that surround owned system must not be restricted unless there's a war with another faction.

Can official players tax unofficial or independent players of the same NPC faction who are correctly ID'ed and Tagged, if the owned system is not a guard system? (I'm not up to play on the server so this is a legit question.) (common sense tells me "no", but I would like to see it in writing. >.>

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Seek fun and you shall find it. Seek stuff to Q_Q about and you'll find that, too. I choose to have fun.

[Agent R.]

In that case I'll re-mention something that I fell needs clarity (just in case it got overlooked.)

Can official players tax unofficial or independent players of the same NPC faction who are correctly ID'ed and Tagged, if the owned system is not a guard system? (I'm not up to play on the server so this is a legit question.) (common sense tells me "no", but I would like to see it in writing. >.>

Why must you even ask this since it was already said?
Of course they don't have to.

Edit: Wrong account again. Gah!

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<span style="font-family:Impact">Field Agent Repenter, Personnel File</span>

[chovynz]

Because I'm anally retentive in getting things correctly communicated.

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Seek fun and you shall find it. Seek stuff to Q_Q about and you'll find that, too. I choose to have fun.

[Ackarion]

I really don't know how to take this all in.

I am a Indie in most part. I have 5 ships one is a LN the rest belonging to no faction.

The only reason I registered the LNS is to receive the LNS for my Cruiser. No additional requirements were needed simple and to the point. Register and play. That was easy. If it did not get registered it is just the same; I could fly around with the same ship just without the LNS tag.

Now I have a Hacker BS, totally indie and no accounting to a faction. I like not being part of factions. I respect the rules and requirements and try to be in rp and in character. What I am disturbed about is what it seems now is if you want a ship you join a faction. If you already have a BS (which I do) you must join a faction or lose your BS lic. Well I think that’s a bunch of BS.

I worked hard and long for my ship, to just to be taken away by some faction I dont know. In addition I have no wishes in joining a Faction. I don’t want the HF or LH tag. I am not particularly fond of either faction. This is why I am independent. An independent can do just as well or better than people who are fractioned. I am not here to be outranked or told or ordered to do something by someone in a faction, I have that in real life. (I don’t mind playing in rp or char with faction players it can be fun, I just have no intentions of joining more factions.)

I just want to log and play. What a concept right!? To play.. and to have fun.