' Wrote:@Best Flyer. Aye, poat that in the Rheinland bom,ber topic. Get more people for making more bombers...
@Everyone Else. I have a great Idea. Would a company such a universal shipping sell a Large train to a lowly Freelancer? I would think not! Make it so that ANYTHING with a cargo value higher then 1000 cannot be bought by a Freelancer or Neutral ID! It would solve ALOT of Rp issues.
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That's an excellent idea and goes well with the idea that the server rules should be kept at a minimal. Instead the rules should come natural in-game.
' Wrote:BTW I believe the Gentleman's Rule about trading is that you shouldn't dock somewhere when being chased, until you reach the original destination. So if I'm doing a route between Cambridge and New Berlin, I shouldn't dock Freistdadt in Omega-7. I should head to Planet New Berlin, trying to dodge the pirate(s) behind me.
Most of the traders now, will even F1 to get away. F1, or insta-dock the mooring ports on planets and stations and just sit for an entire HOUR to get safe. An hour they could have used to make 25x what they would give to the pirate.
*politely ignoring any factional squabbles*
So who's to say where a traders final destination lies? That's for the trader to know and others to find out eh? Of course a good trader NEVER flies with an empty hold. There's no possible way of knowing where any given trader is going (you're just guessing). Besides, when I'm on traderuns, I do dock at bases on the way to restock if I need to.
I do agree on the principle though, if you're chased, you're in for the fight or you have to dodge the pirate.
About the insta-docking. Does it really matter whether you insta-dock or not? Dock-raping isn't allowed anyways (or am I wrong)?
I know that selecting your target at a distance of 18k and pressing dock will take longer than moving in closer and not docking until you're a lot closer, but where's the line drawn? Personally I try not to use the autopilot as much as possible, since I'm better at aligning my ship to dock than the computer is.
Sitting an hour in one base is a waste of time and a lowly way of geting away. Personally I wouldn't do that, but I could easily see why people do it.
' Wrote:I think the F1 fine is too light.
Sometimes, if the train F1's out, the fine he/she pays will still be less than the face value of his/her loot.
Yes, the 10 seconds you lose is a piss in the ocean. It should either be increased or the F1 button could be disabled entirely (relying on Alt-F4 to switch chars or exit). I don't know about disabling F1 because it's not just for switching chars, but if all else fails.
' Wrote:Anyway back to pirating. I want to iterate that if a pirate ever made a reasonable demand of my trader, I would comply. If I were in cruise, I would drop out as if I were disrupted. Nor would I speeddock. I would hand over the cash, wish them a nice day, and drown my sorrows later.
Of course a reasonable demand means (say) < $5m, not $100m or something ridiculous. AND *if* they started shooting me first, before making a demand, they can get stuffed... watch my contrail across Sirius or watch my ship explode, w/e.
*politely ignoring any factional squabbles*
Of course a good pirate would find places for his pircy where as little such RP-actions as possible would be needed (referring to the politely dropping out of cruise to comply).
About making demands. I think that it should be pretty obvious that someone is after you if they fire at ya. Then if the demand comes when they actually don't need to fire anymore to make sure you stay put, that's fine by me. The kind of behaviour you're describing is kind of childish. I know I wouldn't do anything like that if it was in the real world.
"Nope, you shot me first without making any demands so now I'm going to let you kill me instead of giving you some cash"
Besides, what with the CDs not working properly (or put to use effectively) the pirates shoot first out of necessity. Anything it takes to get your prey to stay put. Now, I know that the rule about making demands has come to be for a reason, otherwise we'd be back to just any other regular pvp server. But I think you get the idea. And even IF the pirating wasn't planned, but rather some guy decides to blackmail me not to kill me, where's the difference really?
' Wrote:Personally, I keep my eyes open when I am trading.
I use the 'long range radar' to see who is where, so I mostly manage to stay out of systems where 'suspicious' people are.
If I do actually get caught, ask me for cargo instead of money, what trader with a half a brain is going to let a Pirate anywhere near the 'electronic codes' for their bank account.
I do that a lot too, but not to avoid systems where there are players (that'd be stupid since we're playing online because we want to play with other players right?) but the general idea to be watchful is a good one.
Sometimes I check who's where and if it's someone I don't know, I ask around to see if there's any intel on the guy.
Asking for cargo's what the NPCs do, but then again, asking for cargo isn't as profitable as asking for cash though.
You seem to misunderstand what dock-raping is. Its not shooting them as they try to dock, they are fair game if you find them outside, until they have docked.
What dock-raping is, is shooting people who are undocking, before they have control of their ship. So if your shooting someone still in the undocking screen (two black bars on the bottum.) thats dock-raping. You know they are out of dock-sequence when the ship stops moving foward after undocking. That means they are in control of their ship, and can be attacked.
Well, I was (still am) of the opinion that dock-raping was shooting persons that aren't (as you say) in control of their ship, which happens BOTH in the final stage of docking and the first seconds of undocking..
Dab: your ego and arrogance is utterly unbelievable.
Hoodlum's and my comments were totally IC and RP. None of the [IND] know why your letting the TBF have corfu and do whatever they like. You seriously think that your 'laws' are going to stop them from shooting, pirating or taxing whoever they like in theta? If so your deluded.
The only reason for any faction to want corfu is to indict and tax the traders that use that route.
And your letting them.
Don't even try to deny it, you only ever come onto the server now to either start a fight or butt into one.
eg: Your 'secret' blood dragon character in a talacra, the SF figured out who you were after fighting you once, hell onca figured out whose char it was just by talking to you.
And then when the phantoms were going to attack cambridge, you turn up and interfer.
And then theres the other night, the helghast and HF are in california to attack the SA and you turn up and try telling the BSG what they should do.
The only AW member I've seen on regularly and recently is Alpha, and he's been on as his other characters. The last time I was in theta when pirates were ignoring your 'laws' Tyson was too busy in 1-on-1 PvP fights with them to defend anyone, like he's suppose to under your 'laws'.
So when we see that your handing out sections of theta to anyone to do as they please there we weren't impressed. Which is why we posted what we did, to try and get past that cloud of ego and arrognace that you were making a mistake.
Only Alpha got the hint and posted that the AW would still be in control, which is seems isn't true, mainly due to the fact that the only AW we hear from, ingame, now are korrd and alpha. Your too busy on EVE, and the rest of your faction seems to have vanished.
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Asking for cash isn't listed as piracy on the pirate faction infocards, asking for cargo is though.
Regardless, the SCRA are the only ones who have ever asked for cargo, and that had an explained and believable RP reason too.
Everyone else asks for cash because it's easier, you don't lose cash when you die and if you pirate enough traders you'll soon end up with a posse after you.
The shields available for transports and trains mean that pirates who don't use bombers have to gang up to drop it fast enough to do damage, and once a large trains shield is down a wasp will disrupt it.
As for the disrupters being next to useless, not if you sit at a jump or jh.
Hit them as soon as they appear and then keep an eye on their thruster, as soon as the thruster exhaust dissappears hit them with another disrupter.
Either that or if they shoot you wait until they stop, then hit them with a disrupter, you can't fire weapons while the cruise engines are charging and you can't use a thruster either.
Both of these are simple tactics that don't require much though, just practice to get the timing right.
Piracy requires alot more thought and skill then trading does, it also requires teamwork, unless you equip-to-win.
Marauder, its your assumption that AW is GIVING them Corfu that is whats wrong here. If you would care to read what we said to them, you'd see that they are NOT allowed to tax, pirate, or attack anyone in ANY part of Theta. My people have orders to shoot them immediately if they do shoot others, when not given permission by AW.
Perhaps for bashing someone for arrogance and ego, that you have as well, you'd better see what the hell your talking about.
Also, I didn't post in the IND message dump, because I'm not IN IND. Durka. Why post there and get flamed for it? But nevermind, I'll just spam everything I want to say to you now, because no matter what I do, you have a problem with it. You nickpick me at every chance. Then tell ME to get off my high-horse. Perhaps you'd better get off your own you prick.
And Marauder, maybe not the entire thing of leaving Theta was aimed at me, but the disrespectful comments made by Hoodlum and yourself WERE aimed at me, not in RP. At my person.
Also, my Talarca isn't my only character. I've have quite a few you don't knoiw about. Also, as you wouldn't know as I have yet to see YOU on the server these last 4 days, I've BEEN on. Colorado and California quite a bit, as well as other places in different characters. As has Korrd.
BTW, you seem to be unable to make up your mind. When I do talk to you, I'm flamed. Now your complaining about me NOT talking to you in-game, after telling me I couldn't get anywhere near you in Stuttgart. And order you have no authority to make.
Also, of course I interfered in Cambridge. Thats what AW does with Phantoms. Enemies remember? We shoot each other. AW is meant to RP-hate Phantoms and try to stop them when they see them. Maybe I wouldn't be so against leaving you alone, if you didn't flame me for the simple fact of entering the same system as you.
Also, of COURSE I told BSG something when entering California. They were attacking my allies you moron. You expect me to just stand there and watch? I'm going to tell them to leave or be destroyed. Thats what factions do when enemies attack their allies, and its my right to do so. Its also my right to play here without being flamed and insulted at every turn by your and dickhead Hood.
Until your perfect, or an admin, don't even think about trying to tell me what I do wrong.
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BTW its possible to destroy transports with a single fighter, and not equipped-to-win. I've done it alot with my GC Eagle, and Wraith Sabre. You just have to spend a bit more time doing it.
Ok all lets put a stop to this NOW. NO replies. NO flamefest and more importantly (for those talking to me on skype) NO pissed off Alpha. Do any of you know what it is like to be stuck in the middle of this crap, being friends with people on both sides of this crap, its a pain in the ARSE. NOW everyone back off from this thread and let it die before it gets cast to flood with all of your other stupid mud throwing get-togethers. Ok good.
I know where it is Cortana, I just have to find it. - Commodore Puddles