Koolmo, I fail to see how a starwars ship could have any more relevance to Freelancer than a BSG ship. However apparently you aren't the only person that feels that way as this mod is repleat with starwars hulls.
Kane, Nightfall, Alpha 429: there are 2 explainations to your arguments. 1) when originally the battlestars and vipers were added to the mod you voiced your disapproval and where ignored or 2)you did not feel any of these other ship types were a problem until after someone came along and created an entire faction out of it.
Quinty: you base one of your ships on a cartoon.
The precident is already set fellas, the damage is done. Discovery Mod is perhaps less of a digression from Freelancer than other mods like WTS, but still a digression. It was a digression the very first time someone decided to put a hollywood hull into the mod. I wasn't around at that time, however as a newcomer to Discovery I found it perfectly natural to create this faction because of the ships. Not only do the ships retain their original names "Battlestar" and "Colonial Viper" they even have cryptic info cards about alien races and unknown origins. The starwars ships have been renamed for the most part, but they are still unmistakeably starwars ships.
You guys should look at the bigger picture here. What has made Discovery so successful? Surely you don't think its only because of all this fancy RP we do on the forums do you? No, at some point someone decided to put these cool ships into the mod because that generates interest. Toys generate interest. If you want to make some obscure connesuers version of Discovery where nothing non-freelancer will tarnish its image, go do it, then see how many people play it.
Take the ships out and people will go play another mod where their favorite ship is in it.
Jack Handey Wrote:I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Jack Handey Wrote:I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
Well the removal of the BSG ships would not be, in my opinion, a good thing. Having them allows players more ship options for their unaffiliated charectors. They give players another group of ships that have a kind of unity, sorta like the slipstream, ravens claw, and death scythe; all have the same conceptual design. The difference is that the BSG ships are based off a show.
However, as far as I can tell they are more freelancerish then say the ravens talon (if you have seen the american F23 prototype, it looks more like that). And the reason I think the BSG ships have a home in this mod is not just due to the ships (IMHO) fitting in the universe, but also the community that uses it. The BSG are not the only ones who use the viper.
I think the main hurtle between the current BSG ships and anything else that would be added is that direct references to BSG (such as the names and exact models) would probably not fly. I could see similar models that would not only work as a BSG ship but also as a legit freelancer ship being added. The talarca cruiser is a good example, though I know of the RP callouts that where made due to its use...
Anyways, I am still working on a new model (kusari bomber), the old model (BHG bomber), and have plans already for a bret one too. (I think someone wanted a cleydsdale with a red nose...) I can begin working on something like the raptor crossed with a eagle; could work as a zoner anti-capship fighter as well as a colonial raptor. Of cource if Igiss deams the BSG ships are leaving...
Jack Handey Wrote:I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.
@Orrin Dymas. Yes, I base one of my CHARACTERS off of a cartoon. IF someone were to remvoe the ship they fly, the Rheinland gunboat, would they go? Hell no! They would get something new!
I also want to make a point, If the BSG ships were to go, (Im not saying they should, Im saying that no more should be added) would you guys all dissapere? If so, that would you are ONLY playing this mod to get your show seen which is NOT what this mod is about. Its about FL, not BSG. CR had it right when they were here.
' Wrote:Kane, Nightfall, Alpha 429: there are 2 explainations to your arguments. 1) when originally the battlestars and vipers were added to the mod you voiced your disapproval and where ignored or 2)you did not feel any of these other ship types were a problem until after someone came along and created an entire faction out of it.
Yes, Orrin, we voiced our opinions and not only us. Also, please stop taking personally everything that is said against the BSG imported stuff and making a drama out of it. What you're obviously trying to do has a definition. I don't mean to flame. You're an excellent player and everything. Just a bit of fact, the battlestars were here long before the Vipers.
' Wrote:The precident is already set fellas, the damage is done. Discovery Mod is perhaps less of a digression from Freelancer than other mods like WTS, but still a digression. It was a digression the very first time someone decided to put a hollywood hull into the mod. I wasn't around at that time, however as a newcomer to Discovery I found it perfectly natural to create this faction because of the ships. Not only do the ships retain their original names "Battlestar" and "Colonial Viper" they even have cryptic info cards about alien races and unknown origins. The starwars ships have been renamed for the most part, but they are still unmistakeably starwars ships.
Yes, the precedent is made, but that isn't irreversible. Is that a reason to make Discovery Mod into Discovery BSG Total Conversion Mod? I can use the same argument as you did about purists - go play BSG Total Conversion. I won't use that. You failed to see I said ALL NON FL ships, that includes the models for the Star Wars ships as well, I took the Procurator (Outcast Dread) as an example of what I mean. Or should I start pathetically threatening 'I'm leaving Discovery and you won't get the three systems with their own complete stories, rumors and infocards and never seen features like battleship wrecks which give out 800 cargo and battleship weapons loot (and even more, like a dockable Outcast Dread in the depths of Omicron-85 with missions against Nomads [true, I didn't manage to get those work and if Igiss lets me use those]) that I'm making!?':lol:
Grow up man.
' Wrote:You guys should look at the bigger picture here. What has made Discovery so successful? Surely you don't think its only because of all this fancy RP we do on the forums do you? No, at some point someone decided to put these cool ships into the mod because that generates interest. Toys generate interest. If you want to make some obscure connesuers version of Discovery where nothing non-freelancer will tarnish its image, go do it, then see how many people play it.
Just what is the bigger picture? I see people flying a Zoner Juggernaught based on the design of the Eagle, the Condor, a giant flying wing that dominates the Omicron Gamma named Hephaestos and a natural evolution of the Sabre, a Longsword Destroyer/Cruiser with a much bigger one, a Lance Dreadnought in Omicron Alpha. I see the Junkers flying a Collector, battleship version of a CSV made of station parts welded together. Imagination is the limit.
Alas, someone else has to do it. I saw an opportunity in Mohr and the other guy (sorry I forgot the name) that posses the ability to take the design and evolve it into a real model, I was suggesting they try if they can do it. If you want to limit yourself to something you seen in a TV show...
' Wrote:Take the ships out and people will go play another mod where their favorite ship is in it.
I think the evolution of the original designs would not only make Discovery stay true to it's original promise - to be an extension to the original, but make it even more popular just because of the same thing that makes it stay true to the original promise, the uniqueness of the ships.
Everybody has a few ships from one TV Show or another, no one has evolved the original designs.
Of course, it's Igiss' mod and I can't command anyone to dedicate the amount of work needed, less have much influence of what's going to be included in the mod, I'm just posting suggestions and doing what I can to help.
If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God? - from 'Nightfall' by I. Asimov The Outcasts consider Siniestre Nube a sacred place for several reasons. Early explorers discovered a jumphole within the depths of the cloud that leads to a strange world of ringed stars and strange craft. All ships in the burrial ground are placed facing that hole to honor the Alien Spirits. - An Outcast rumor
=BSG= is [CR], nothing changed about the faction except the tag-not even its leader. As soon as the shorthand TV tag appeared on our names two things happened. 1) we got a lot of members, 2) old hand server veterans started complaining.
' Wrote:=BSG= is [CR], nothing changed about the faction except the tag-not even its leader. As soon as the shorthand TV tag appeared on our names two things happened. 1) we got a lot of members, 2) old hand server veterans started complaining.
If I say that the size of your ego is stunning, you'll say I'm flaming you. If I ask you are you just roleplaying a 'religious fanatic' or is your vision really that narrow, you'll think I'm flaming.
Now, with that put aside, I'm glad you have so many members.
the 'veterans' were not satisfied with the lot of buggy ships much before CR/BSG came here
Your ego really shows up on that list
To support my nr. 2: do a search, read a little on the discussions, the battlestars were always questioned and were causing more problems than they're worth. The Vipers as well. Same for most of the imported ships. The design of the ships, however good (I like it personally, don't get me wrong) doesn't fit the Freelancer universe. Same goes for the Raven and that lot. Same goes for the lot of the Star Wars battleships and most of the Homeworld ones (some are resembling but still lack something).
I ask why are you so much against evolving of the original designs but you so fiercely want the BSG ones? Why not be original, be different from the lot and have something special?
You still haven't answered why are you trying to make this another BSG Total Conversion Mod?
If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God? - from 'Nightfall' by I. Asimov The Outcasts consider Siniestre Nube a sacred place for several reasons. Early explorers discovered a jumphole within the depths of the cloud that leads to a strange world of ringed stars and strange craft. All ships in the burrial ground are placed facing that hole to honor the Alien Spirits. - An Outcast rumor