in that case, i think it was held back to keep the reporters anonymously. - however... i also believe that its a right of the sanctioned to know who got them sanctioned.
that has its good and bad sides.
the good side is that one that reports someone else doesn t do it light hearted in the space of the internet. staying hidden. - if you report someone, you should be well aware of it, you should stand to it and you should also be responsible for it.
the bad side is that if its known that you reported someone, you may face harrassment from the sanctioned or his mates for an alleged "unfair" sanction.
in that case, its upon the admins to judge which one applies.
the problem with all that is... - our justice system is lacking in certain respects. - a player can get sanctioned for a great many of rules - and as long as evidence is provided he is guilty per se. - unless he provides counter evidence, which is hard to do unless you keep fraps recording your every steps.
non modified screenshots can show only one side of a coin. - players don t tell the whole story very often but just leave things out that might get them into trouble themselves. - so they would never go like "i re-engaged that guy and taunted him untill he swore at me" - they would say "he swore at me".
in general i d say. - if a player is frightened too much of the player he posted a report about, he is usually not frightened of the player but of what might also be dragged into the light ( the whole truth ) - another player can only do so much to you ingame. - and if a report is really so unjust that one fears the community - maybe the report was just.... unjust ( even if within the rules - which can happen )
' Wrote:in that case, i think it was held back to keep the reporters anonymously. - however... i also believe that its a right of the sanctioned to know who got them sanctioned.
that has its good and bad sides.
the good side is that one that reports someone else doesn t do it light hearted in the space of the internet. staying hidden. - if you report someone, you should be well aware of it, you should stand to it and you should also be responsible for it.
the bad side is that if its known that you reported someone, you may face harrassment from the sanctioned or his mates for an alleged "unfair" sanction.
in that case, its upon the admins to judge which one applies.
You can see in many cases while browsing sanctions threads that a lot of them fall in category 2. I think in most cases its not whorth the risks of getting someone who will just be a pain the bottom to the one who reported him aka PM spamming, etc,etc
Quote:in that case, i think it was held back to keep the reporters anonymously. - however... i also believe that its a right of the sanctioned to know who got them sanctioned.
I disagree...
I believe that the person getting sanctioned should get to see what the evidence is... but not who sent the sanction.
I prefer to have my sanction... private so that the person being sanctioned doesn't harrass me all day.
I can't see why the system is being questioned, considering any time I've been involved in one it's been whena faction member was involved and the evidence was acecessible without any problems, and when a question of interpretation came into it, while I may have disagreed with decisions, I have the good sense to leave what's in the past remain in the past and move forward. Aside from long bans, most punishments are pretty easily overcome.
From my experience, it's very straightforward and as transparent as can be, short of catering to a completely unjustifiable need to know who reported you. Why should it matter who reported you? You were the person who broke the rules. The responsibility is yours. If you're going to start naming people, all it will do is encourage the idea of "malicious reporting". And when you start questioning peoples' motives, you bring in an aspect of player-interaction which could not even remotely be accomodated without causing more bad feeling than this "community" already has.
Players break rules; someone reports them; they get sanctioned or warned or whatever. If you want to see evidence it is provided pretty readily. For the majority of sanctions I think the rule-breaking is pretty clear. Try looking at the most recent player sanctions. Any new player (and indeed many veterans) could browse through them to see what kind of stuff gets sanctioned. But bear this in mind: not all rule-breaking is reported. The flavour of how you interact with others as a player will often bring sharp attention to your actions in-game.
And that maybe is where people should focus - in-game. Playing. Not arguing over the rules, especially when a discussion revolves around a theory surrounding the system for reporting and sanctioning rather than the actual practice of that system.
By which I mean - if you experience a problem with a sanction, the game is administered by reasonable and responsible people who try to ensure that the game flows smoothly within flexible guidelines that tries to retain a few core principles of any discpline system - the key to which is that it be corrective when possible, punitive where necessary, transparent as far as practicable and not open to abuse both by the administrators or by those who would undermine it by being litigious when their own rights are not in question.
edit: Plus the answer to this one is posted a few pages back.
Joe said that this was a one off - We usually have no problem showing the offending parties, and indeed their faction leaders - screenshot evidence when we believe it is warranted.
So... why is this thread still being discussed again?
' Wrote:The evidence was there, seen and debated by multipule admins, then acted on. That's like saying a drug dealer should walk free after he's conviced because the drugs were destroyed.
Conviction comes after a trial where the accused faces the accuser.
As a right of being under accusition, the accused has the right to face with his/her accuser in RL court as well as the evidence given against him/her.
Joe said that this was a one off - We usually have no problem showing the offending parties, and indeed their faction leaders - screenshot evidence when we believe it is warranted.
So... why is this thread still being discussed again?
Oh thats right... Disco Drama....
carry on then:)
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