So let me get this straight. Someone claiming a bounty is 'powergaming', but saying that you're 'not allowed to attack zoners' isn't 'powergaming'?
Please don't use words if they don't even mean anything.
I'm pretty sure that making 5 threads complaining that people are 'powergaming' and 'metagaming' and etc etc etc because one of your ships got killed, is a pretty good fit for 'selfish rp' and 'forcing your roleplay on others'.
Trying to act like Zoner neutrality is this totally insurmountable obstacle, yet you have a guy who invaded Leeds with a battleship, literally declared war against a house, because a zoner was killed in self defence. Mad hilarious.
Like whoever said, if you guys want to be neutral so much, then you have to work for it. Getting furious, invading Leeds, talking about killing Bretonian traders, ganking people, claiming it's powergaming to ignore it, etc etc, are not good ways to do this. Just makes you come across as all the negative stereotypes about no-roleplay powertraders.
Also can I please just say in general, that zoner diplomacy is nuts. If you read through the threads, about 80% of the posts are really thinly veiled threats. That is about the extent of it. I don't really know why anyone would deal with zoners giving how they represent themselves here, let alone afford them neutrality. Making threats and demands isn't a good way to get neutral.
Actually I don't mind this thing at all. The bounties on Zoners as people and whatnot. It's totally your right. I'm just saying it will all turn around to fornicate you in your gluteus maximus because bretonnia hasn't got enough people for this kind of rp. And because of that an friendly or some other non war rp would be more appreciated. but since that's not an option, i'm all for making gentle happy
I don't care if it messes up Bretonia. I mean, I'd be offended at the idea that the Zoners could even dent a house, but I'm not going to go oorprage because something bad affected one of my characters.
Some usefull things when deciding if war is right for Zoners:
I dream of giving birth to a child who will ask, "Mother, what was war?" ~Eve Merriam - Evidence that leaving wars up to women is a bad idea.
The most persistent sound which reverberates through men's history is the beating of war drums. ~Arthur Koestler, Janus: A Summing Up - Evidence that when you DO have a war yoru just the same as the rest of us and in fact following true manly behavour.
Everyone's a pacifist between wars. It's like being a vegetarian between meals. ~Colman McCarthy - evidence that its OK to be a zoner who keeps to neutrality...between wiping out bretonia.
War! that mad game the world so loves to play. ~Jonathan Swift - See!
And Finally....
War does not determine who is right - only who is left. ~Bertrand Russell
My personal favourite. Question is do you want to be the ones who are left.
- a bounty was posted with little to no RP backup / foundation. ( ingame, you d speak of pvp-whoring, ooRP ) ... its like a player going to the forum and posting a bounty "i don t like bretonia, - i will pay 1 credit for every dead bretonian, everywhere, in any ship." - this way, the "rules" are satisfied.
take a look at zeltaks bounty of a "good" friend. NO rp basis there either. - totally off with justifications. and that is a RP server? this is highly disappointing. that is ooRP / ooc to the max. and its posted just "cause i can".
- why is it against the idea of the faction and messing up things a lot more than many people want to acknoledge:
- each faction has a characteristic attached to them, a fundamental characteristic that DEFINES them. - to change that characteristic, you change the faction. - to change the faction, it would need igiss intervention or at the very least the consent of both sides. - you must not do it one sided.
- zoners are neutral, like it or not
- corsairs are starving, like it or not
- outcasts breath cardamine, like it or not
- the wild are ex-nomad possessed, like it or not
- hackers are ex-ageira agents that hate ageira and liberty with a passion
- gaians are ex-scientist / eco-terrorists
etc.
you cannot come and change that to your liking. - its not a question of how fair or unfair it is. - it is a fundamental characteristic and no bully can come along and just say "no, you re not neutral anymore, no, you re not starving anymore, no, you don t need cardamine anymore, - no, you were never the hosts of a nomad, etc. "
that aint working. - and you cannot drive zoners into a war, especially not when they don t really like it. - this would be such a global change as to say "gallia suddenly feels the love and opens its gates to all sirius and gives every new arrival a collar of flowers, a cigarette and a bottle of their best vintage"
you cannot force such fundamental changes upon a faction that does not want them. - to keep doing so, you re as bad as for example:
- liberty parking dreadnoughts at every hacker base
- liberty claiming to have destroyed every hacker base or disabled them
- claiming that all the systems are now rightfully theirs and the hackers are gone
- claiming that those hackers that pop up please go into exile or best delete their chars, cause they do not exist anymore
- liberty keeping their battleships before EVERY hacker base - and lets say, they are powerful enough - install 10 stationary NPC battleships before each hacker base, so that even hackers that wish to fight back cannot undock.
one sided RP
so - when the QCP wants to wage war or make a political point. - they should have contacted the zoners and agreed on a little war. - you would have been surprised how well it works when you WORK TOGETHER. - but to push a certain RP on another faction "just cause you like it" and then go to the forum and say "whine me a river, you zoner idiots" is not helping matters.... especially not when you want your RP to be regarded to be serious.
posting idiotic bounties is like the little guy supporting the bully in school, cause he hopes so much that the bully likes him.
it has been said in the past so many times. - when you want global changes or fundamental RP - you work together - i wonder what is so hard about it to understand.
others manage it, too. - we received messages from other factions that wants to have an impact on zoner RP - and they did it RIGHT. - they contacted the zoner players - things are being discussed and talked over.. you get serious roleplay out of it. - no drama, just quality.
First when i read the Zoner Bounty i said: "WTF" Really. Just saying we bring food to the Corsairs and then a Bounty List. I was confused and angry. This bounty is and still was silly in my opinion. ANd so is the new one. Why set a Bounty on Zoners? They dont harm anyone. SO why?
Many Zoners were trying to get the Bounty Closed. many Raged, many whined. And its still going on. Stop being silly and just stop it there please.
Zoners are Neutral, and with Neutral it means EVERYONE. The Law, the unlawfuls. Ever played Kotor? If you did you know Manaan and the Story. If you dont know what i am talking about get the Game. Its awesome anyway and you can take a break from Disco.
"Who is it doing this synthetic type of alpha beta psychedelic funkin'?"
' Wrote:Like whoever said, if you guys want to be neutral so much, then you have to work for it. Getting furious, invading Leeds, talking about killing Bretonian traders, ganking people, claiming it's powergaming to ignore it, etc etc, are not good ways to do this. Just makes you come across as all the negative stereotypes about no-roleplay powertraders.
Most of the Zoners are Indies, the most of the Indies are Powertraders, the most of the Powertraders are Idiots and Lolwutters. There is no need to flame a whole Fraction because there was a lolboat. I dont hate the whole Liberty Navy because of LNS-*Censored*, i dont hate the Rheinland Military because of an RNC-*Censored*.
"Who is it doing this synthetic type of alpha beta psychedelic funkin'?"
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