Kusari relationships

[Exsiled_one]

I am sorry Ash but i beg to differ. Kusari house is the most efficient house in clearing up their own messes. Something other houses could look at and learn from them. No bounty hunters or mercenaries is a proof enough that everything is being handled easily.

Just because there's a swarm of independent miners with ore going trough Kusari does not mean that the house is corrupt. It means noone wants those miners around.

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[Silmathien]

And this is what causes a House to stagnate, as Gallia has. If outsiders are told not to come, and they don't, then the House dies in a pool of its own vomit.

That's not quiet right. The Council is always in search of helpers. "Don't come" is what the GRN likes to say. I've first missunderstood too, that i'm not welcome in Gallia, cause normally Players are thinking the Navy representing the law, which should be 'good'. It's a bit of a mixed up world there, but you can't say you aren't welcome (unless you're OC maybe).:P

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[Ash]

I am sorry Ash but i beg to differ. Kusari house is the most efficient house in clearing up their own messes. Something other houses could look at and learn from them. No bounty hunters or mercenaries is a proof enough that everything is being handled easily.

Just because there's a swarm of independent miners with ore going trough Kusari does not mean that the house is corrupt. It means noone wants those miners around.

But on the contrary Ivan, there's hardly any other kind of pilot out there either. There's no pirates, so theres no problem, and theres no law enforcement because of that, and vice versa. The IMG aren't the problem, the Hogosha are, as well as the Farmers alliance and whoever else the Hogs want to drag into their new found legitimacy. Nobody wants to be in a Naval or Police force that fights alongside a crime syndicate.

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[Ceoran]

Yeah, in Kusari, it's:

Trader meets pirate
lawful helps pirate

Trader meets semi-lawful
Lawful ignores both

that's how you can say it, but the KNF and KSP will most likely go and hunt down any Dragons, outcast or chrysanthemums.

Or maybe they're trying to conquer Bretonia for the local ores?

Check the mining locations of Kusari corporations. should answer your question.

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Go play the game, within the given limitations. That is how role play games are played. Not by trying to work around those limitations or whining about them.

[casero]

Problem.

Kusari is completely dependent on foreign ore, so they need foreign traders to bring it to them. If FA pirates them so much that they go away, then Kusari is deprived of raw materials, its war machine dies, and Bretonia turns around and conquers them.

Or maybe they're trying to conquer Bretonia for the local ores?

One thing's for sure, I'm not eager to load up with ore to go someplace where the local dynamic is:
AFA guy: "I just pirated this gaijin ore freighter and tried to murder his escort."
KNF guy: "Awesome! High five!"
Escort/trader/miner: "Mayday, AFA guy just destroyed my convoy and tried to kill me."
KNF guy: "STFU, gaijin, we like him doing that. Stop complaining about the pirates or we'll kill you."

I've been told the foreigners should stop and offload everything at the border stations and Deshima, so that Samura or Kishiro move everything inside Kusari. Problem with that? Border stations and Deshima (not entirely sure about Deshima) don't buy ores.

Try to not exagerate things, some lawfuls might look at some other direction. SOME!! And even then, the Farmers and Hogosha won't pirate you in front of a lawful. If you are being pirated, and a lawful is right there, report the whole thing to the KNF, we won't allow any officer who allows piracy.

In-RP, once traders start adopting this mindset, Kusari runs out of materials to build their ships with.

Meanwhile, Bretonia still has Dublin...

In-RP, Samura is the biggest coorporation in sirius, and Kishiro is growing fast.

I had a KNF bomber char in kusari, i sucked the money out of him and deleted him because It was so inactive there. Somehow we need to drag people to kusari. Bretonia is medium active, Rhienland is medium-low, Liberty is UTTERLY HIGH. Gallia is non-existant. Its a bit sad really.

Which inactivity are you talking about?

Nobody wants to work for a corrupt government and this house is publicly clearly corrupt. People can deal with rumors, like that rumor that Bretonia was dealing in cardi or whatever. But solid evidence like this is just to crappy to bother.

The Hogs alliance with Kusari is one of the biggest nitpicks I have with Kusari. By now the Farmers should be a bit more civil since their being a bit more widely accepted as a political party.

Solid evidence? What are you talking about? A thread in general discussions is solid evidence of anything?
You know what, as you all like the cry cry thing, I'm going to tell you how things go in Kusari in very short senteces.

Trader gets stopped by Farmers (once in a while, or did the AFA conquer the game and it became the most active faction around?).
Trader gets blown up or trader paid.
Trader met a lawful.
Trader complains of something that already passed, and of course, they don't have any evidence, or of course they don't want to waste their high paid time in posting a report here.

That's how it's all the time, no one calls for help when it's happening, and when they do, I do go to check, because most of the time, they don't say who is attacking them (Example: I'm being attacked by a pirate).
And once I'm there, I help the trader to get out, by staying there. No, I don't arrest the farmer because someone said he was being attacked (that's how I'm biased), but I do stay there, giving time to the trader to get the hell out.

Now, if you experienced something different, bring the evidence! Damn it!

Now, you would call that corrupt? Well, if you use the OORP information that we are giving you here, you could say that, but in RP, no one should arrest a Farmer because some trader said he attacked his ship.

i suppose that this would be an improper place to mention that i have given up kusari forever?

Well, too bad.

[Dab]

Kusari is completely dependent on foreign ore, so they need foreign traders to bring it to them. If FA pirates them so much that they go away, then Kusari is deprived of raw materials, its war machine dies, and Bretonia turns around and conquers them.

Yes, however, the FA doesn't like foreigners bringing it all the way in. They prefer Samura and, to an extent, Kishiro pick those ores up from the other houses and bring them back to Kusari, or foreigners drop them off at stations at the edge of Kusari, while Samura/Kishiro brings them further in.

I've been told the foreigners should stop and offload everything at the border stations and Deshima, so that Samura or Kishiro move everything inside Kusari. Problem with that? Border stations and Deshima (not entirely sure about Deshima) don't buy ores.

You're right, that is what is encouraged by Samura/FA/Hogosha. Kishiro/GMG doesn't mind foreign shipping corporations, nor does the GC. If the government were to require that all foreigners drop their goods at border stations and Deshima, then the prices would be changed to reflect that. However, since the Kusari government has not yet done that, foreigners just take it all the way to the destination themselves. Since Samura focuses mostly on industry and transportation, that is one reason why they have declined, while Kishiro, who focuses on technology, has expanded (they are taking the IC/Ageira route in licensing and specialized equipment).

Another reason is that, with this war going on, Kusari needs more material than Samura can get on its own. It simply doesn't have enough transports, as the shipyards are busy building warships and have little time for building new transports.



Simply; Kusari faction diplomacy is nothing like the other houses. Just because what you see here isn't quite what you see in other houses does not mean it is OORP. I've seen some of the best RP come from Kusari factions, and that is why I enjoy playing there so much. It's not just plain black-and-white faction relations like the other houses. Everything is part faction goals (pirating, trader, etc) and part politics.

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[Ash]

I would like to provide an example where I was stopped by a number of Hogosha pilots in the presence of some KNF (or KSP i forget) members. No I can't supply any evidence as it was yonks ago and I didn't really care at the time.

Me an a fellow trader (Republican) are passing through Honshu and two Hog Black Dragons show up. Try to tax us and disrupt us at any attempt to flee, we warn the local authorities in New Tokyo that arrive on the scene about the same time a Hogosha lolgeisha does. These Kusari lads are having a charming conversation with one of the Hogosha pilots, for example "what are you doing?; whats going on here?; why are you shooting at that german over there?" Meanwhile my trading partner explodes and the Geisha tractors his cargo before buggering off back to wherever. The second Hogosha dragon persues me and eventually destroys me. All the while the Kusari pilots got as far as "whats your bone to pick with these people?" and eventaully gave them the benifit of the doubt before scooting off to wherever.

This is either a major instance of a failure to act or theres something else going on here. Kusari pilots never seem to respond to problems concerning the Hogosha, and in likleyness the Farmers (Not solely officials).

Some pilots allow the Hogosha to get away with it, and the others are just too confused to know if they should.

The Hogosha and the Farmers are just considered commoners in Kusari space these days, they aren't being treated as suspicious individuals. I know, i've tried both factions and been blatantly ignored by Kusari Police and Navals outside Tokyo itself.

As well as other things pointing in the same direction such as the relaxed policy on artifact trade. The evidence isn't necessarily in writing, if the link isn't obviously public then it's very, very close.

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[DarthCloakedGuy]

Just for reference for Kusari Naval Forces and Kusari State Police:

Piracy is not tolerated. Ships committing or proven guilty of piracy will be escorted to the nearest exit from Kusari space or engaged upon refusal.

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[casero]

@Ash: That has happened to me in Liberty too. That has nothing to do with the relationships between the factions, those were a couple of unexperienced lawfuls. Hell, I have been blown into pieces in liberty and police watching, just because they were not understanding what was going on.
About the artifacts, let me quote the Kusari Legal Codex:

Dealing and owning Artifacts is restricted to Samura and Kishiro (ID+IFF).
Registered neutral/friendly Researchers (IFF) can legally own up to 500 units.
Fine: 2M, cargo confiscated or escorted to the nearest allied station if no alternate transport is available
(Hogosha ignored)

Note that Hogosha is ignored, but they are encouraged to don't use trade lanes when trading artifacts.


@Andre: Commintting or Proven guilty, as I said, bring evidence, and it will be dealt with.

[Ash]

I can understand where your coming from cas and your right this may have just been a case of some newbies getting a grip on how things work. But it doesn't put aside the relaxed attitude the Kusari lawfuls now seem to have on a Quasi lawful faction.

But back to the point, people aren't sure where the KNF stand with the Hogosha and their allies. I'm not excluded, I honestly don't know what rumors are true, but i'm certain that some of them are. If i'd have to name a lawful house that affiliates itself most with unlwafuls; apart from the obvious; i'd say Kusari.

Dealing and owning Artifacts is restricted to Samura and Kishiro (ID+IFF).
Registered neutral/friendly Researchers (IFF) can legally own up to 500 units.
Fine: 2M, cargo confiscated or escorted to the nearest allied station if no alternate transport is available
(Hogosha ignored)

Nuf' said

In a way it seems Kusari's purposfully going against it's own policies. And if it's evading this one, then who knows what others are under the text?

[Sorry for the ninja-ing]

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