I sympathize with your loyalty, it is quite admirable. Yet, you are missing the point of this petition. As I stated before, I'd like to be persuaded that the so-called Council does represent most of the independent Zoners. This is not a war cry, nor would I ever go after argument of force before force of the arguments. Unlike some CoZ delegates, which Mrs. Silvan holds very close to her, I must add.
I just want to know which and how many independent Zoners recognize CoZ lead by Mrs. Silvan as their representative body.
Quote:Just an interjection of thought. Miss Silvan was the wife of the late Mister Silvan, who had died and thus became the dissolution of this Asgard Warriors.
I am not implying Ms Silvan was the leader of the AW. I merely pointed out that she was in fact a vocal and ranking member of the AW. She was the AW's delegate to the CoZ for sometime.
Quote:Look at you talking about other Zoners! Tearing ourselves apart, ruining our reputation, that is what you're doing! While the Council has extreme measures in it's way to lead, their decisions are far to be forced on all of us. Zoners who aren't chairmen of the Council shouldn't and are not forced to follow Miss Silvan if so they choose. The CoZ is only one of the many Zoners associations we have, and it happens to be the biggest and the most influent. They are ready to lick the boots of the Houses to get credits from them, and this is a subject that worries me more than the leadership of it.
Ruining our reputation? Please, we are Zoners. If you haven't noticed most of us left house space to be rid of governments akin to the CoZ. The CoZ one of the biggest and most influent? Please! Thats a load of rubbish. It barely has a dozen members by my count not to mention other cultures in the sector have decided they will ignore the CoZ. SCRA? Corsairs? Both refuse to deal with the CoZ due to Mrs Silvan. Get your facts straight!
I will have to also call for a roll call. The CoZ is not a representation of most independant Zoners. It is a representation of only a small group, thus it cannot make decisions on behalf of most independant Zoners. Its been FAR to long since the CoZ verified its membership. The CoZ has proposed a new Council/Committee to govern all Zoners under the guise that the CoZ represents most independant Zoners, she wants the CoZ to have multiply seats yet she refuses to give the factions more than one! Seems she wants to tip the hat in her favor!
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"So would someone like to tell me why we insist on making yet /another/ Council to govern the Zoners? We have the Council of Zoners, the Zoner Alliance, and now you want another? All I see is a big ol' power struggle, and even though I've spent less time on Zoner politics than anyone else, but I think we're getting a bit far from the ideal that Zoners once had.
Zoners left the Houses because they didn't want a governing body. Oh hey look, we're going for our third one..."
Zoners left the Houses because they didn't want a governing body. Oh hey look, we're going for our third one..."[/i]
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CommID: Victor Cross
To be correct Captain, Zoners left house space for various reasons. Not everyone left because they didn't want a governing body, some left because they wanted a different kind of governing body. Please don't assume to know why every Zoner left house space, past and present. If you read their messages they aren't asking for the formation of another Council only. They are asking that the current CoZ do a role call or dissolve so a new group can take its place.
The fact that you feel the dizzing array of Zoner groups is un-Zonerish dismays me. While it does get confusing, it is indeed more in line with how the first Zoners set up on the edge. The freeports were not interconnected when they were first built. Each was ran by itself independant of the others. Only recently have we, the Zoners, felt the need to form a large group that would try to govern our loose society.
With that said, while I do support a transparent central governing authority, if that cannot happen I have no problem following the ways of our ancestors and each person or group doing their own thing independant of each other.
Yev, please, do not insult the beliefs of our fellow Zoners of the TAZ, and I think that I have seen in some channel, one I have read on occasion, a kind of evidence that Eris is not a purely virtual goddess at all. Now, while I do not think that blasphemy is something we should care about in most cases this kind of deity could prove to be troublesome - a living goddess, or whatever she is, could bestow us all with "curses" I do not want to imagine right now. I would rather suggest to put the research on "The Entity called Eris" into the queues of Corinth. I would be eager to find some truths about her existence.
Fellow Zoners, there is only little important left I could add to Mr Cross' explanation right now, but one thing I would like to emphasize, although it should be clear from the recent past, and although some might be using the demagogic power of mere slogans to convince you from the opposite:
The Zoner factions TAZ, OSI and ZTC DO NOT and WILL NOT use their power in order to try to dissolve anything. We Zoners, and everything we have achieved, have always relied on the voluntary efforts of every Zoner individual, and we all should still enforce this attitude and live by it. The factions are still working by this principle, there is no force, and there shall be none, but every Zoner and thus every Zoner group has the fundamental right to decide on their fates. The factions have decided to abandon the CoZ, and they decided to provide a platform for independent Zoners, so they created the Zoner Union of Independents, BECAUSE they did not want to force the CoZ to change its name - they simply appreciated and are doing still that the CoZ delegates acknowledge the fundamental change VOLUNTARILY which was caused by the factions' pullout. Sadly it did not happen.
The former CoZ was endorsed by the courtesy of the TAZ, and especially this endorsement, unique in Sirius, legitimatized the CoZ' power. When the TAZ members have left this council, along with those of the OSI and the ZTC , they took this authority away with them. This should be clear to everybody. The assembly formerly bearing the power to represent all organized Zoners has changed, and as much as its power was labelled CoZ once, this label cannot sustain anymore because this unique power has left too, so claiming this label still means to pretend to have the power of the former CoZ.
Even with this good cause at hand, which is reflecting nothing else but the abuse of power, the Zoner factions still do not want to force the CoZ remainders to accept the factions' proposal to disband their current political bod, and to join the recently announced and endorsed assembly by conviction. But judging the defiance of the remaining CoZ Delegates to trust and to follow the Zoner factions into a new structure which is providing an equivalent voice for their group compared to those of the factions, still a unique feature in Sirius, this will never happen, not even by the latest proposal of Mr Lightwing to the CoZ.
Mr Al-Noori, I understand the idea behind your motion, and I am thinking the same way as you do, but I would not like to sacrifice the principle of voluntariness which bears much more value for all Zoners than the willingness of a defiant assembly to show late insight finally. I have to apologize for my interference here, but I suggest to end this motion as soon as possible.
I'm not standing here as a representative of my current faction (nor I have rights to do so) I'm standing here as one man. One man with army of arguments behind me. I'd like to invite all of my brethren to find one of my statements which can be proven to be untruthful and I'll stand down. Not only that, but I'll move out of the Sirius and you'll never see me again.
Of course, I would not be the first Zoner who was banished, thanks to the actions of Queen Silvan (let's call her by her real title, ok?).
I'm watching democracy crumbling before my eyes, I'm watching bureaucracy winning battle over reason, I'm watching schemers sending good men to their doom but I was not raised to stand aside and watch - one man can make a change!
I will prove all of you that is possible or die trying.
I have nothing to lose, but WE can win everything!
How can we prove anything you say is untruthful if you have not even said anything of substance? All I've seen in your messages so far is wild accusation and vague insinuations. Nothing with evidence to support it, nothing with examples of how I've demonstrated such behavior.
The only thing concrete you have said about me is that you think "Miss Silvan obstructs any efforts made by an organized group of Zoners, that managed to escape the grasp of her dictatorship."
First I would like to point out, I came to this position democractically. I opened an election on who to fill the seat of chairperson after Doc Holiday left me in charge of the Council of Zoners. I could have easily stayed in control then if I were after a dictatorship, rather than open the leadership of the Council to an election that may not have gone my way. If the Council truly thought someone else would have been a better choice for the position and voted for them instead of me, I would have trusted in their judgment and given my support to the chairperson they chose.
Second, all I can really say is that you are wrong in that I've tried to obstruct anything. However, since you did not give any examples or evidence, I have nothing from you to refute.
If I am to be on trial here, I would appreciate it if those persecuting me would bring forth their evidence to the public, if it exists, so we may judge its validity and truthfulness and come to an informed decision. This statement is as much for the Coalition as it is for my fellow Zoners.
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